Welcome guest, is this your first visit? Create Account now to join.
  • Login:

Welcome to the NZ Hunting and Shooting Forums.

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed.

Ammo Direct Terminator


User Tag List

+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 11 of 11
Like Tree1Likes
  • 1 Post By Kiwi-Hunter

Thread: 12 Gauge steel subsonic loads

  1. #1
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Cambridge
    Posts
    44

    12 Gauge steel subsonic loads

    I'm looking at loading 12g steel subsonic loads for some close work on ducks and rabbits, but not finding much in the way of recipes. I will be using a suppressed 12ga pump and there is a real possibility that i will need to use fibre wads through the suppressor.

    I also thought about using a biodegradable wad as well http://www.opticsplanet.com/mec-oxo-...tal-wad-12-gau... to do my bit for the environment but don't know if they are available in NZ.

    I'm reloading for the 6.5 and the 25-06 which seems much easier than the shotgun scene, from what i can see there aren't many commercial subsonic loads available in NZ, and those that are are exclusively lead in about a #7 shot size. I think i will probably be trying for #4 shot in steel as an all-round load at about 1000 fps.

    I've done quite a bit of reading and research but thought I'd ask the people that are out there doing it if they can recommend some starting loads, or alternatively a company that could load the ammo for me at a reasonable price.

  2. #2
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Galatea
    Posts
    1,099
    If it were me id be using lead. Steel is pooh at best and you need to double your shot size to get close to lead performance. Id take it youd be shooting upland anyway. Im not a gamebird guy but as a farmer the idea of a silent shotty is pretty mint.

    Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2

  3. #3
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Cambridge
    Posts
    44
    Lead would be my preference as well, but there will be times when i will need to shoot over water and it seems pointless to have separate loads for paddocks and ponds.
    I will have to use a 3" shell and #4 steel shot to get the density and range for the subsonic load.

  4. #4
    Gone................. mikee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Nelson, New Zealand
    Posts
    9,811
    Are you intending to use a shotgun like this
    hushpower.co.uk

    Name:  overunder2.jpg
Views: 3137
Size:  22.6 KB

    I shoot with a guy who uses a Laporte (spelling) Nice gun but why don't you use 20g with paper shells/fibre wads available from Mai Mai Supplies
    Surely the lead is not that bad, and normal shells are pretty quite thru a supressor. The laporte is very quite
    Trust the dog.........................................ALWAYS Trust the dog!!

  5. #5
    Member Kiwi-Hunter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Southland
    Posts
    842
    Well whisper, your performance will not be great at all, have tested steel on rabbits.
    It just doesn’t cut it (crap) as for a load. I haven’t got one, but you shouldn’t have much trouble finding one (USA web).
    You have just got to get it to 1065ft per sec Depending on your suppressor and there you have it..
    A quite but useless performer. Stick with lead, there's this option which will take a few years may be before there is no lead overwater.
    http://sub-silentsuppressors.com/?page_id=144
    Last edited by Kiwi-Hunter; 10-03-2013 at 10:44 AM.
    Toby likes this.
    The Voice of Reason, Come let us Reason together...

  6. #6
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Cambridge
    Posts
    44
    Thanks everyone for the comments.
    @mikee - yes I'm using one of their screw-on 12Ga suppressors on a pump action. I don't really want to have a separate fully suppressed shotty so i'll load for the 12Ga rather than buy a shotgun to fit the available subsonic loads i can get from the shops.

    @Kiwi-Hunter - thanks for the opinion, maybe i will load a 3" shell with lead and use it in the paddocks as an alternative. Roget at sub-silent is quite a good engineer, and although i have a couple of his silencers for the PCP i wouldn't personally have one on a shotgun.

  7. #7
    Member Rich007's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Levin, Horowhenua
    Posts
    1,037
    Because the steel would be starting so slow I would think 1 1/4+ of BBs would be the go. Or non toxic if you have the coin. Ill be interested to hare how you get on.
    If my work annoys me, I cull them

  8. #8
    Gone But Not Forgotten Toby's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Wouldn't you like to know
    Posts
    11,099
    Steels bad enough loaded normal.
    VIVA LA HOWA

  9. #9
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Cambridge
    Posts
    44
    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Steels bad enough loaded normal.
    I think a rabbit at 10m might disagree

  10. #10
    Gone But Not Forgotten Toby's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Wouldn't you like to know
    Posts
    11,099
    A rabbit at 10m would disagree with my shitty old slug gun
    VIVA LA HOWA

  11. #11
    Ejected
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    2,572
    A rabbit at 10 metres is better to be shot with a 22 sub, a lot cheaper, and we all know how cockies like cheaper....

 

 

Similar Threads

  1. Subsonic 308
    By veitnamcam in forum Reloading and Ballistics
    Replies: 120
    Last Post: 29-12-2015, 07:39 PM
  2. CCI Subsonic .22 - Problems
    By Raging Bull in forum Firearms, Optics and Accessories
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 09-12-2012, 08:25 PM
  3. Subsonic .308s
    By Mike H in forum Firearms, Optics and Accessories
    Replies: 36
    Last Post: 27-08-2012, 10:30 AM
  4. Best subsonic for Remington 597
    By Growly Bear in forum Shooting
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 05-04-2012, 09:01 AM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Welcome to NZ Hunting and Shooting Forums! We see you're new here, or arn't logged in. Create an account, and Login for full access including our FREE BUY and SELL section Register NOW!!