Yeah me too, in 30 cal I’ve only shot 2 reds with the 178gr both at about 275m (2 in 2) and both collapsed on the spot. Have shot lots of pigs with them, instant death.
The only explanation I can think of @Tribrit is maybe you hit them a little too far back for maximum expansion and fragmentation? There’s not much to a regular sized thar under all the hair, sometimes on billy goats I’ll get a short runner with a 30 cal if I don’t hit the shoulder. But hit them well forward and they just fall over.
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