223 Powder ... again

I was going to reload to barnes 53gr TSX FB's for my 223 this weekend ... but cant get the powder that Barnes have in their reloading manual

has anyone got a load that they could share using ReloderX10 - or Varget .

Also. Can loads be safely used for different projectiles projectiles of the same weight ?

What I mean by this is, could i get the Hornday load for the 53gr VMax, and use it as a starting point for a load development for 53 gr Barnes TSX's

I realise that what comes out of this may or may not be accurate - and can live with that .. but is this a safe approach ??

Tim

hey Tim
i had an experience loading barnes bullets for my 308 havent tested them yet either

using the same weight pills 168 gr that using the same powder weight say 42grs of 2206h that the barnes pressed down onto the powder in the case ,now i know this is because the barnes are longer projectiles , not sure if i can seat them out further (just havent checked my max oal for my mag yet) or i may need to use less powder
wonder if is the same sort of question you are asking?
jonesy

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Originally Posted by geezejonesy

hey Tim
i had an experience loading barnes bullets for my 308 havent tested them yet either

using the same weight pills 168 gr that using the same powder weight say 42grs of 2206h that the barnes pressed down onto the powder in the case ,now i know this is because the barnes are longer projectiles , not sure if i can seat them out further (just havent checked my max oal for my mag yet) or i may need to use less powder
wonder if is the same sort of question you are asking?
jonesy

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The Hornady Load for Vmax 53Gr projectiles is Min Load : xx.x grains .... max Load : xx.x + y grains (cant rem the exact numbers)

can I just use that load, substituting the 53 gr VMax's for the 53gr Barnes TSX ?? Is that safe ?

Im pretty sure the fit will be OK

i would think so , i did for my 308
but just to be safe start at the lower end first
but im no expert on reloading

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Originally Posted by geezejonesy

im no expert on reloading

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:thumbsup:

Me neither

we just try by doing and learn from our stuff ups but safety comes first ALWAYS

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Originally Posted by geezejonesy

we just try by doing and learn from our stuff ups but safety comes first ALWAYS

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yeah, thats what I'm trying to do ..

theres things that you can try and they just wont work well ...

theres other things you can try - that are just plain unsafe ...

and as a noob, its hard to know the difference ;)

In my 308 at least i have found you can run more powder with the ttsx due i guess to less bearing surface and friction.

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Originally Posted by kiwi39

I was going to reload to barnes 53gr TSX FB's for my 223 this weekend ... but cant get the powder that Barnes have in their reloading manual

has anyone got a load that they could share using ReloderX10 - or Varget .

Also. Can loads be safely used for different projectiles projectiles of the same weight ?

What I mean by this is, could i get the Hornday load for the 53gr VMax, and use it as a starting point for a load development for 53 gr Barnes TSX's

I realise that what comes out of this may or may not be accurate - and can live with that .. but is this a safe approach ??

Tim

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I'm sure Varget = ADI 2208

Spanners had a thread somewhere on here with various powder equivalents.

Adi website has a pdf of equivalent powders

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Originally Posted by dogmatix

I'm sure Varget = ADI 2208

Spanners had a thread somewhere on here with various powder equivalents.

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ADI Hodgdon

AS30N Clays
AS50N International
AP70N Universal
AR2205 H4227
AR2207 H4198
AR2219 H322
BM2 Benchmark
AR2206H H4895
AR2208 Varget
AR2209 H4350
AR2213SC H4831
AR2217 H1000
AR2225 Retumbo
AR2218 H50BMG

here's the link to the ADI Powder Equivalents Table :

ADI Powders Handloaders' Guide

Tim

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Originally Posted by kiwi39

here's the link to the ADI Powder Equivalents Table :

ADI Powders Handloaders' Guide

Tim

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The burn rates are equivalents in the chart. They can't be used as equals. Don't transpose powder charges across burn rates for load development.

thanks for that @kiwijames. :thumbsup:

the question is, of course, if they're not charge equivalents, how does one transpose them ??

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Originally Posted by kiwi39

thanks for that @kiwijames. :thumbsup:

the question is, of course, if they're not charge equivalents, how does one transpose them ??

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They are a rough guide for burn rate not exacts (except the ADI - Hogdon equivalents as posted by KG, exact same powder only a packaging/branding difference).
TBF I do not know the exact differences but I'd expect across manufacturers the load densities will be different creating very different results. With 10s of thousands of PSI a few inches from your face I'd suggest to err on the cautious side.

top man, thanks for the warning !!! :thumbsup:

T.

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Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

ADI Hodgdon

AS30N Clays
AS50N International
AP70N Universal
AR2205 H4227
AR2207 H4198
AR2219 H322
BM2 Benchmark
AR2206H H4895
AR2208 Varget
AR2209 H4350
AR2213SC H4831
AR2217 H1000
AR2225 Retumbo
AR2218 H50BMG

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So you can use 2209 or H4350 and they both shoot the same?

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Originally Posted by Toby

So you can use 2209 or H4350 and they both shoot the same?

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Should do. Both are made in Aussie by Thales/ ADI. ADI will be 500g though and Hogdon will be 1lb so better value with ADI! Batch variances will still occur.

FYI H4350 is not same same as H414 (stick vs ball) but H414 are W760 are the same powder in a different tin.

Where do you get your powder from James?

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Originally Posted by Toby

Where do you get your powder from James?

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Either Quentin (45South) or Hawkes Bay Marine.

Hey Toby as James said, they will be different batches so you will need to check your loading a the least when changing between.

Actually who all checks their loads when they swap batch numbers? I know I do

hmm
interesting .. must have a look for the batch number on the container and remember to record it in my load book