.223 Reloading COST v Factory

I have been number crunching on reloading .223 for my AR15 for comps/training etc.

Thought id share my findings and see what others are reloading for $ per round.

Factory (one example) 1000rnds 223 Remington Ammunition (Belmont) 55gr FMJ 1000 Rounds $799 NZD (Reloader Supplies)

Cost / round $0.799
Cost / 50 $39.95
Cost / 1000 $799


Reloading calcs

2206H 4kg $489 (Reloader Supplies)
25.5gr (from ADI manual)
Murom Small Rifle Primers KVB-223 (qty 1000) $65 (Reloader Supplies)
2266B 22cal 55gr SP W/C pack of 500 $126 (NZ sourced)
Range brass (already collected) $0

Cost / round $0.519
Cost / 50 $25.95
Cost / 1000 $518.97

Worked out importing projectiles (Reloading International) Hornady 22 caliber 55 grain FMJ-BT w/c per 100 bulk [HRN2267B] $11.17 USD

Buy 2000 and get 13% discount (this 13% discount will cover the export permit cost, so I have not taken it off or added the import permit 10%) Freight $87.95 USD (total 311.35 USD = 367.92 NZD) (no GST) Cost per 100 prods = $18.40 NZD ($91.98 NZD per 500)

Adding, only the imported projectiles to the above hand load calc cost

Cost / round $0.451
Cost / 50 $22.55
Cost / 1000 $450.93

Other costs: (already own and run a XL650 and all associated reloading tools and equipment)

Dillon Precision (imported direct).223 caliber conversion kit, quick change tool head, case feed plate and Dillon dies ($20 USD shipping to YouShop) $ 311.80 USD = 368.45 NZD ($22 NZD from YouShop) = $390.45 (no GST)

Cost difference between factory and reloaded per 1000 rnds (with imported prods = $348.07 NZD) (NZ sourced prods = $280.03 NZD) both a saving

Cheers

If I have missed anything? feel free to let me know

Interested to see what cost figures others are getting.

I was gifted bulk projectiles, use lake city brass which fell off a truck and only pay for powder or when I use a different bullet. So loading .223 is cheaper than rimfire ammo for me.
If you had to source all components it should still work out cheaper than factory unless you put a cost on your time.


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If you had to buy all the loading gear to get started, how long would it take before the lower cost of reloads balanced it out?

Not having to sport a brass catcher or getting all puckered up trying to find brass in the grass must be worth something. :)

should be able to get powder cheaper than that.

Wilhelm arms is $54 per 500gram.

Interesting calculations

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Originally Posted by Chupacabra

Not having to sport a brass catcher or getting all puckered up trying to find brass in the grass must be worth something. :)

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Could factor in buying brass. Its usually around that $20 per 100.

Say if you pick up 50% of you're brass you can add another 10cents onto ammo price per round

Reloads are cheapest if you can get the components at a good price. Keep your eyes peeled.
Brass. $0.10 cents each off trade me some time back. Bought a sack of 3000. Some bulk brass being sold currently on Trade me, not quite as cheap as it has been.

10 pounds of H335 bought off acquaintance through trade me a year ago at $44 per pound. 25 grains per load so $0.16 cents each. Nearly out so on the lookout for more.

Projectiles. 55 gain CMJ projectile at $0.135 each. The CMJ projectiles are accurate and perfect for plinking and service rifle.

Primers. CCI small rifle, bought 25K some time back when on special off Richard at Serious Shooters. $0.060 each.
The prices for primers is now returning to normal. Was crazy for awhile there.

Total for first shot is $0.455 each.
Following shots re-using brass is $0.355 each.

Buy in bulk when prices are OK and use when the prices or availability is poor.

600 odd bucks per 1000 for steel cased Hornady and no time wasted loading and picking up cases

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Originally Posted by gimp

600 odd bucks per 1000 for steel cased Hornady and no time wasted loading and picking up cases

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that with a SP projectile or FMJ?

If i could get 1000 for that price and it had a SP i would for sure... but availability..

Most of the ranges I shoot at, its mandatory to pick up your cases especially the steel ones which quickly go rusty.
Reloading them is a hobby in itself.

Believe me .... Reloading won't save you money in the long run.

Sure the cost per round might work out cheaper than factory, and the cartridge will be tailor made to your specifications, but my experience is you'll use that as an excuse to just shoot more and buy more reloading gear.

Which in it's self is not a bad thing.

A man could spend his money on a lot worse things that's for sure.

Cheers
Pete

I have just started reloading , just did my first 50 to take to the range and chrony .... or just hope it goes bang ..... I really enjoyed setting it up and making bullets , was kinda cool with a progressive press to see a finished bullet fall into the catch at the end ......cant wait to start casting my own as well ...
this is my only hobby , so no wasted time ....just time well spent

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I have just started reloading , just did my first 50 to take to the range and chrony .... or just hope it goes bang ..... I really enjoyed setting it up and making bullets , was kinda cool with a progressive press to see a finished bullet fall into the catch at the end ......cant wait to start casting my own as well ...
this is my only hobby , so no wasted time ....just time well spent

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Christ, wish I had only 1 hobby. I have a few and they all involve expensive gear. Firearms is the newest and proving to be the most expensive too....

Reloading will be cheaper per round, and you will likely (if you do your part) end up with more consistent ammo, tailered to your specific rifle and use. I dont know about you but I like the idea of maximising the potential of my rifle and the process involved in that more than I like saving a few bucks per range outing. This is where the value in reloading lies for me.

The other advantage of reloading is knowing what you are shooting.
With care you can create rounds more precisely matched to your rifle and with less variation between rounds.
This can help with competition target shooting as you can remove some of the variability and increase repeatability.

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Originally Posted by P38

Believe me .... Reloading won't save you money in the long run.

Sure the cost per round might work out cheaper than factory, and the cartridge will be tailor made to your specifications, but my experience is you'll use that as an excuse to just shoot more and buy more reloading gear.

Which in it's self is not a bad thing.

A man could spend his money on a lot worse things that's for sure.

Cheers
Pete

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Quite right there Pete, just remember that the reloading gear has a lifetime of use, and the next generation to. That makes it priceless IMO

Is it easy to import projectiles? I'd like to get some in bulk but our Club AO told me on the weekend he gets copper coated projectiles for $130/1000 so I wanna jump on his next order. All works out quite good for 223 when you look at .22lr at about $0.12 per round. Was gonna get a .22lr AR but might just spend the money on rounds instead

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that with a SP projectile or FMJ?

If i could get 1000 for that price and it had a SP i would for sure... but availability..

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SP or HP

I agree with the general opinion that its cheaper to make but you end up shooting more.

It feels awesome when you shoot a deer with your own tailor made

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Originally Posted by gimp

600 odd bucks per 1000 for steel cased Hornady and no time wasted loading and picking up cases

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Too bad the Steel case ammo isn't particularly common anymore. Think I paid $70 for 100 rounds, would definitely do it again if any shops had some!
Thing with reloading is you can choose what projectile you like, yes some bulk ammo is almost as cheap and a lot easier.
But if you want 53gr Vmax's in 223 you are either paying $2 A ROUND, or you wont be shooting them.
75gr Amax in 223? Never seen it in factory ammo in NZ.

It's when comparing premium products that the savings come into play.
If I was shooting 100's of rounds of 223 in a day, there's no way I'd be reloading it!

Hey Baz, Do you clean your brass? I always add a little more for the cases to allow for power, media, and time to prepare each case (I even do this to range brass)

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Originally Posted by GravelBen

If you had to buy all the loading gear to get started, how long would it take before the lower cost of reloads balanced it out?

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It took me about a year to pay for my press and dies but GravelBen it really depends on how much you shoot, how often, etc. I have found this to be VERY helpful for that [URL="https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5JgEhaQUH_Lb1hjSFZnSjdhMlE/edit"]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1982201850 I saved it and I use it all the time

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Originally Posted by kiwiwsniper

Hey Baz, Do you clean your brass? I always add a little more for the cases to allow for power, media, and time to prepare each case (I even do this to range brass)



It took me about a year to pay for my press and dies but GravelBen it really depends on how much you shoot, how often, etc. I have found this to be VERY helpful for that [URL="https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5JgEhaQUH_Lb1hjSFZnSjdhMlE/edit"]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1982201850 I saved it and I use it all the time

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Gday kiwi
I just tried to open that link. And got told I have to request to open the link. Is it your file?
Kyle

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Gday kiwi
I just tried to open that link. And got told I have to request to open the link. Is it your file?
Kyle

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No it was not mine to being with, since then i have made it my own, and now it is open to everyone with the link.
The press is the Hornady Classic Kit
The trimmer is Lyman Acculine Case Trimmer
The tumbler is Hornady M-2 Case Tumbler 220 Volt
The loaded ammo is Australian Outback .223 Cal 69gr Sierra HPBT Matchking
And the cases were first fire range brass
The link is: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
Save it and make it your own, it's free

All the prices are sourced from Hunting and Outdoor Supplies