Always been a cartridge that's been on my radar.always wanted one,just to be different. Does anyone on here own one??? How are you getting on sourcing the weird .228 diameter projectiles???
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Always been a cartridge that's been on my radar.always wanted one,just to be different. Does anyone on here own one??? How are you getting on sourcing the weird .228 diameter projectiles???
Well I don't have any good answers for you but I do happen to have a box with x91 Hdy70gn .227 Spire Point which I understood where the dia for 22 Savage HighPower, not 228... but correct me if I'm wrong.
I tried to swap them on here for something of more use but no takers lol
EDIT: Thanks to Wikipedia " It is based upon the .25-35 Winchester cartridge necked down to accept a .227 in/.228 in diameter bullet. Its original loading was a 70 grain soft point bullet with a velocity of about 2790 feet per second."
Lmfao....that's actually why I'm asking as I have found myself in possession of a box too. Pretty sure will end up using through the.223 with a below maximum charge without issues,but would be borderline criminal to do so if someone has a savage to use them as intended.
You could build one on a 224 barrel , and then use normal 224 projectiles
My ones are the semi point speer70 grn jobbies.given to me by forum good fellow so one way of the other they going to get used.
Oh don't worry,that thought has been well explored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fee Knicks
Those Hornadys wont stabilise in a .22 Hipower anyway. They are too long.
You can shoot normal size .224 bullets in a .22 Hipower, they just have to be short enough to stabilise. John Barnsness wrote an article on the .22 Hipower if you can find it. Sellier and Bellot and Norma still load factory for it.
I just make my .223 into a .22 Savage Hipower by loading 70 grain Speers to 2800 fps. I do this because I am too cheap to buy a real one, and too lazy to find one.
Yip I hear you on that. It's what I was intending to do...load 223 to duplicate it,I just didn't realise I had the fatter projectiles till had issues seating them.
I built a .219 Donaldson Wasp on a HandR single shot rifle. Originally a .22 Hornet but rechambered , fitted a 30-30 extractor and good to go.
Original plan was to build a 22 High Power but the 227 thing was a bit hard to work around back then.
Savage 99’s in .22 Savage Hipower are not uncommon over here. Were popular in the 40/50s before the .222 was common. Old man had one. I can’t like the model 99. Too Agricultural for me.
Outside of the 99 you see them in the savage and cz combination guns.
Can make cases from .30/30 brass.
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I never warmed to the Savage 99 either.
WDM Bell had a .22 Hi-power chambered in a little Rigby Mauser, and used to shoot red deer with it in Scotland.
Geeze its not often you hear the 99 called "agricultural". On the contrary, they seem to get more bouquets if not reverence than brick bats. Depends what your fancy is I guess...
Yes a savage 99 is on my radar, but how many firearms can one own and still enjoy using them all.
Just one more ...
Heaps! LolQuote:
Originally Posted by SmokeyJason
I have not found this boundary..Quote:
Originally Posted by SmokeyJason
I always found them ugly and ungainly looking. Of course I am shallow, silly as a horse, and swayed by appearances. I had use of one in .308 for a while, and the rear lock up was sort of clunky to me. I would like to have one of the old ones Pre WW1 style with the graceful schnabel, set up for open sights. I actually had some spare money a couple of weeks ago and was in teh local gunshop and they had another Savage99 in .308 there, in top condition. I thought about it. And then I thought that thing is still as ugly as before. One of the late versions with the dumb cheap stock on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jhon
I've got 3 or 4 Savage 1899s and 99s in 22 HP, most are takedown.
They might look agricultural to some, but they are way better engineered than other lever actions of the time.
At least you can shoot pointed bullets!
Pity we can't get the "proper projectiles" to you. Still hoping someone in NZ has one and needs projectiles.
I managed to get a few hundred of them recently - more than I could ever use :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
I’m not saying they’re not a good thing and a high point of engineering and innovation at the time. But not for me.
If you go to the deliverables, a heavy for calibre .22 projectiles at 2800 fps, there are now a lot of ways to do it in more accurate platforms. I was always focused on the deliverables.
I did buy a 99 in .300 sav about 15 years ago. Rotary mag, with round counter, schnabel forend. The trigger, and dimensions of comb when using a scope were not for me.
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People own and use these old firearms because they have a sense of history , and they like older guns.
Not everyone does this , but those who do have my whole-hearted approval.
From what I remember the 22 high power did really well. Was it just performing like a modern 223 with the same weight pill or were the bullets different
They used a 70 grain soft point, semi round nose looking thing. It was quite popular in its day. Same as a .223 with a 70 grainer really. But the bullets in those days would not have been as good as we have today.
It would have been a perfectly good whitetail deer round, and it was popular enough in the 1930's that some Uk deer properties used them exclusively instead of the 7mm and .303 for a while.
Quite famously a Reverend Caldwell (?) in China shot a tiger with one which Savage used in their advertising. (But he only shot the one in the photo.)
WDM Bell the elephant hunter once shot a herd of 23 cape buffalo with a .22 Hipower (this one probably a Savage lever) for meat for a local African village that was starving. He noted he used 27 shots. He lung shot them all and they all milled around and then expired.
.22high power Savage
222
223
Same, same.
The reality is they all do the same job, sooo, don't understand why people bother.
But, if that's what turns u on, great, go for it.
I'll stick with my 223, no hassles getting cheap components. I guess I'm pragmatic.
Matt Grant mentions this fine round in the book "sharpshooter" which was arguably ahead of its time and gave many of us a glimpse that we could do better,rifle accuracy wise. His comments ran along lines of..it was great on lighter animals but not so flash on big solid stuff. Nothing much has changed. And indeed using a speer semi point 70 grn .224 pill at 2700-2800 from a .223. Is almost identical to using a 70 grn Speers semi point.228 projectiles from the savage.... It's splitting hairs over four thousandths of an inch diameter.
The why it turned me on.... Handled a beautiful 99 as impressionable teen. My father used one many years ago and always spoke highly of it...and I have soft spot for a rimmed round.
I had one many years ago , sold it cheep as I didn't use it much . It came with 1/2 doz small inserts so you could fire .22 lr in it .
It had belonged to an old uncle that used it to put down injured stock .
Thats why I have the .223 and not the .22 Hipower...Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldbloke
But if I was pragmatic I probably wouldnt have just bought a flintlock... I couldnt really tell you why. It's not like its going to make me more successful. But, if it gets you out enjoying yourself more than otherwise, then really maybe it would....
Guilty, I have a muzzleloader myself. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyDixon
Oldbloke, it depends if you are buying the gun or buying the cartridge. I happen to have got a bit hooked in Savage 99s, and now have about 11 of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldbloke
22 Highpower
250-3000
300 Savage
303 Savage
243
308
No such thing as too many guns (or too many cartridges!)
I think I load for about 21 or 22 different cartridges and it's all fun!
Can I come visit ? LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Crusty
Greetings,
I had an old Brno .223 at one stage with a long throat. I also had a box of the Speer 70 grain projectiles. I should have loaded some and tried them on goats at least once but never did. My current T3 .223 has a short throat and mag so the projectiles need to be loaded extra deep so an opportunity lost.
Regarding mature rifle nuts (I qualify) having too many often odd ball rifles the reason is that they interest us and just enjoy having them. May this always be so.
GPM.
Some .22 Highpower projectiles, all 71 or 72gr
Left to right -
unknown soft point
RWS copper tipped hollow point used for Roe deer in Europe
FMJ
Pulled S&B soft point
Attachment 256638
Interesting bit of trivia: the actual name of the calibre is .22 Savage Hi-Power..
It always was. Very famously.
