I have briefly played with Rel 17 in my 284. Not the 140 VLD though sorry. Hit pressure at 52gr with the 162 ELD-X and got up to 54gr with the 162 ELD-M (didn't try any higher). ELD-X shot crap but the M is looking pretty promising. Cant give exact OAL as I don't have my book but it is throated long and the ELD-M was as far out in the neck as I would want it.
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