Thread: 3 days in the rain.... 3 lessons......

I planned a wee hunt last week and being the stubborn prick I am I still went despite the 4cast...

It rained a fuck load I got fucking extremly wet (thank hell for instep crampons) and no i didnt shot nothing just found some great country for a return looksee...

3 little issues id like to share...

1... the 3 rounds in the mag during the 3 days of pissing down WX to tops and back when finally fired when almost back to truck at Mr GOATIE went click.... YEP THEY GOT WET AND BECAME DUD!!!!!!!

2..... I HBN coat my pills for targets and a wee lesson here.... HUNTING AND COATING PILLS DONT MIX.... POI change here...

3.... 515m Mr goatie amax FAIL after 2m-300m perfect performances... PICS ATTACHED OF THIS.. you will see the shoulder minced and no penetration beyond ribcage... entry wound of the skin was a nice wee finger sized hole before I chopped skin away, when I got there I saw the hole and the blood and the position of the hole and thought excuse me Mr GOAt WHY ANT YOU DEAD???.......
So im thinking how does a 2m amax shot at 3060fps dissolve the internals when a 515m shot at 2200fps at arrival mince the shoulder and not make it past mr ribs?
300m shot was exit after entering just behind shoulder???? MASSIVE AMAX FAIL TODAY!!!

Minced shoulder with skin cut away 515m AMAX hit


Shoulder cut away and NOO penetration...


Strange how I got a pill failing at such a low speed and longer distance when everythings been going so well inside this distance to date...
Was out of me 6.5-06 doing 3067 at last chronying...

Have been toying with 120GMXs which have same POI and doing 3250 all ive shot with so far is mr goaties but nice clean through holes, but would like to see them on some mr DEER action, especially the 300+ instances...

Have a "large" upcoming hunt and concensus is Mr march is coming off 6.5 and going on .270 as i know and am confident the 140 BTSPs will more than accomadate even the "large" deer species to 500m.. and 500m is a distance IM extremly confident with... Also the .277 140 BTSP has never let me down and ive put these particular pills in things to almost 700m without fail...

I should have taken some of the excellent examples of a pill doing its job with the 2m 50m and 300m hits.... but oh well...
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Get the swifts BB. I never had a problem smoking deer with the Amax's but your experience and others I have heard makes me glad I didnt have to find out the hard way. Glad I changed to the Sirrocco when I did. I note some lung blood in the pics so something got thru, or is that your knife work Just about got the money set aside for my new March. I found a cheap source for a new saddle mount for the Blaser. Looking forward to getting it set up and shooting.

Yeah something got through Just fuck all, couple of mere fragmentd id say... Do you still have that 400+m swift mushy pic dave? should post it!!!!

Ive got a pack of those sitting and waiting I think this is the thing i was waiting for to change to them... Ill retain the amax as steel pills but Im moving more towards the 338 and 243 as steel pingers in total this year and pushing 6.5 towards my hunting allrounder.....

Abraham has just bought me some fun lighting toys to shave a LB or two of Mr 6.5 which should drop it into my perfect carry weightzone and I at this stage think I will also be shaving atleast 2" off the tube.. But then its back at 3000 FPS and I may as well be running a .260AI.....

Originally Posted by baldbob

Yeah something got through Just fuck all, couple of mere fragmentd id say... Do you still have that 400+m swift mushy pic dave? should post it!!!!

Ive got a pack of those sitting and waiting I think this is the thing i was waiting for to change to them... Ill retain the amax as steel pills but Im moving more towards the 338 and 243 as steel pingers in total this year and pushing 6.5 towards my hunting allrounder.....

Abraham has just bought me some fun lighting toys to shave a LB or two of Mr 6.5 which should drop it into my perfect carry weightzone and I at this stage think I will also be shaving atleast 2" off the tube.. But then its back at 3000 FPS and I may as well be running a .260AI.....

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Come out of a Bull Tahr that won heaviest at the Ashburton comp. Shot front on with the 06 at 400.
It weighed 120grns, was 130grns. Can ya get 3000 out of an AI? My mates 06 is 24' and gets 3050 easy.

Originally Posted by R93

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Come out of a Bull Tahr that won heaviest at the Ashburton comp. Shot front on with the 06 at 400.
It weighed 120grns, was 130grns. Can ya get 3000 out of an AI? My mates 06 is 24' and gets 3050 easy.

No but you can get 2950 and when your talking that much difference you may as well run with the entended throat and barrellife..

Originally Posted by baldbob

No but you can get 2950 and when your talking that much difference you may as well run with the entended throat and barrellife..

Good point. Im thinking of the 260AI or 6.5x55 AI for the boys first centerfire. Good thing is, I get to set it up and it could take a while.

What about the 129gr Hornady SST?

Mud or thick matted hair? Stag last roar with sst out of the 08 required 3 shots he was covered in mud and the first two shots didnt penitrate at all put him down but just long enough to run up and put one in neck. I put it down to the thick coating of semi dryed mud on him

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Mud or thick matted hair? Stag last roar with sst out of the 08 required 3 shots he was covered in mud and the first two shots didnt penitrate at all put him down but just long enough to run up and put one in neck. I put it down to the thick coating of semi dryed mud on him

I shot a large stag up the ass last year with a 140gr 6.5, dropped him on the spot.

Originally Posted by Wildman

I shot a large stag up the ass last year with a 140gr 6.5, dropped him on the spot.

Now run barnes for these situations.Cant comment on there long range performance

No mud it was just wet as was pissin down with rain....

I only posted it as I was surprised to see it fail where it did... Convinced it was a DUD pill....

Haven't used them myself, but those I have talked to that use the Barnes TTSX reckon they are the business. They now do a line called LRX (basically a slippery TTSX) and have a 127gr 6.5mm, BC 0.468. Might be worth a try.

Half tempted to try the 7mm and 338 variants (168gr and 280gr).

Must say though, I'm surprised about the amax blowup at 500m. Might have expected something like that at really close range, although I have never experienced that either...

Could be a dud pill Adam.

Ive had nothing but bad experiences with 208 amaxes and those SST's you so willingly sold me

Have you used the 140 bergers? Ive got 150 of them I want to try.

We shot a very medium sized bull last May, he took on board 3 well placed 130g FBSP 130 grain 270's, it took a barnes though the lungs to put him down for good. (he would have died but not before he was un recoverable)

I'd think twice about using SP's on Tahr if you want to recover them. Barnes are the business, but are supposedly hard to make shoot due to fouling, a problem you wont have aye

Chris

Originally Posted by crnkin

Could be a dud pill Adam.

Ive had nothing but bad experiences with 208 amaxes and those SST's you so willingly sold me

Have you used the 140 bergers? Ive got 150 of them I want to try.

We shot a very medium sized bull last May, he took on board 3 well placed 130g FBSP 130 grain 270's, it took a barnes though the lungs to put him down for good. (he would have died but not before he was un recoverable)

I'd think twice about using SP's on Tahr if you want to recover them. Barnes are the business, but are supposedly hard to make shoot due to fouling, a problem you wont have aye

Chris

In my experience fouling is a non issue with the barnes crankin especially in a hunting situation.
Never put threw more than 40 odd in a session but fouling was no worse than amax or sst or interloc.
Maybe a different story if you like to cook steak on you barrel eh crankin

Tracers now they foul like nothing else,the hollow base allows 55-60k psi to push out copper against the bore. Fun If you like cleaning.

i was using the 140g vld's (the yellow packet) and on a medium sized got my 6.506 was punching them clean through it from about 400m. im not sure what speed i have them doing as i havent been able to get hold of a chrony to find out