30-06

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Originally Posted by Happy Jack

Too much recoil for me though.

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suppressors have really been a game changer for the longer cartridges..that and decent recoil pads LOL

Greetings,
Some tend to forget that the more established cartridges do not become less effective when some new and often over hyped upstart arrives on the scene. If anything they become better with upgraded rifles and better quality and improved components. There has been an absolute glut of new cartridges over the last 20 years many of which have been and gone creating barely a ripple. The 8x57 and its later US knock off the .30-06 are still chambered, although perhaps not as much, and will be with us for decades to come. Some calibres like the .25's have currently taken a hit. Perhaps a short .25 that would fit nicely in a shorter action for a nice light walking about rifle would be nice. Hang on we had that back in 1915, the .250 Savage. Over the next hundred years the case was improved and the projectile fattened up a bit and morphed into, you guessed it, the 6.5 Creedmoor. Nothing that much new in cartridges then.
Regards Grandpamac.
PS, @blip we already had the .30-06 AI. As you said 50 fps faster when loaded to the same pressure as the parent cartridge but it looked cool and much was claimed for it. Dead as the Dodo now.

Anyone got a R93 3006 barrel they would part with?

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Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

Anyone got a R93 3006 barrel they would part with?

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@7mmwsm
I think Hugh Bradley makes aftermarket R93 barrels if that helps. Don't know about cost but quality should be good.
Have you tried finding one for sale on any of the overseas websites ?

There was an interesting comment from @No.3 that the 3006 won't do anything the 7mm08 won't do. In fact, the 165gr 30-06 is almost the ballistic twin of the 140gr 7mm08 ! Just 20% more bullet weight and kinetic energy.

Here are some figures for factory ammo.
With the Sako ammunition, I had to compare two different shape bullets and with the Winchester their 3006 was actually 168gr.
The Winchester Ballistic Silvertip numbers give the clearest comparison and the bullet is the same as the Nosler Ballistic tip we all love.

So, it seems true that the trajectory of the 165gr 3006 is pretty much the same azs for the 140gr 7mm08. Same drops, same wind drift.
Its only when it reaches the deer that you'd expect to see a difference.

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one of the truly great caliber's but one should warn newbies they can kick - certainly need a good pad and a suppressor - 25-06 much nicer to shoot - now that is one under valued cartridge

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Originally Posted by 30.06king

@7mmwsm
I think Hugh Bradley makes aftermarket R93 barrels if that helps. Don't know about cost but quality should be good.
Have you tried finding one for sale on any of the overseas websites ?

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No I haven't done too much about finding one.
But if one turns up I'd be keen on it.
Haven't tried Hugh but I think he's right out of making Blaser stuff now.

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Originally Posted by Bagheera

There was an interesting comment from @No.3 that the 3006 won't do anything the 7mm08 won't do. In fact, the 165gr 30-06 is almost the ballistic twin of the 140gr 7mm08 ! Just 20% more bullet weight and kinetic energy.

Here are some figures for factory ammo.
With the Sako ammunition, I had to compare two different shape bullets and with the Winchester their 3006 was actually 168gr.
The Winchester Ballistic Silvertip numbers give the clearest comparison and the bullet is the same as the Nosler Ballistic tip we all love.

So, it seems true that the trajectory of the 165gr 3006 is pretty much the same azs for the 140gr 7mm08. Same drops, same wind drift.
Its only when it reaches the deer that you'd expect to see a difference.

Attachment 245853

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Yeah, despite a lot of claims and fans of their particular favourite of the day pretty much anything in the 7mm to 7.62mm and '08 or '06 cases is for all intent and purpose the same for big game work. Barrel length, cartridge brand and loading and projectile design with the barrel length have more of an effect than the actual calibre from my experience. Hit where it matters with any of them and you'll likely secure and animal short of something unusual going wrong (like falling off a cliff which does happen).

Looking in the current Hornady Handbook, I see there are "30-06 Springfield" and "M1 Garand".
They have the same cartridge dimensions but the "30-06" has about 200 f/s higher velocity.
The "M1" velocities are pretty much the same as .308 Winchester. So that is probably the origin of the statement that the 308 can be loaded to match the 30-06. Below the 308 is the "308 Winchester Service Rifle" and that data is for the M1A which was the predecessor of the AR-15. Velocities are about another 100f/s lower ...

30-06 Story
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Load data for 30-06 and 165gr bullets
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M1 Garand Story
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Load data for M1 Garand and 168gr bullets
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The M1 garand data is to duplicate original load pressures and for service match loads.


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Originally Posted by grandpamac

Greetings,
Some tend to forget that the more established cartridges do not become less effective when some new and often over hyped upstart arrives on the scene. If anything they become better with upgraded rifles and better quality and improved components. There has been an absolute glut of new cartridges over the last 20 years many of which have been and gone creating barely a ripple. The 8x57 and its later US knock off the .30-06 are still chambered, although perhaps not as much, and will be with us for decades to come. Some calibres like the .25's have currently taken a hit. Perhaps a short .25 that would fit nicely in a shorter action for a nice light walking about rifle would be nice. Hang on we had that back in 1915, the .250 Savage. Over the next hundred years the case was improved and the projectile fattened up a bit and morphed into, you guessed it, the 6.5 Creedmoor. Nothing that much new in cartridges then.
Regards Grandpamac.
PS, @blip we already had the .30-06 AI. As you said 50 fps faster when loaded to the same pressure as the parent cartridge but it looked cool and much was claimed for it. Dead as the Dodo now.

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plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose

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Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

one of the truly great caliber's but one should warn newbies they can kick - certainly need a good pad and a suppressor - 25-06 much nicer to shoot - now that is one under valued cartridge

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25-06 with suppressor and you really talking.....

My son n laws father got a sako 25-06 none suppressed.It shakes the ground when you are standing near it being fired.i know you gota have ear protection on when its fired.Its bloody loud.

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

25-06 with suppressor and you really talking.....

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I have a 25-06, have shot it suppressed and unsuppressed - definitely had more grumbling from hunting mates if it's fired un suppressed! Love the cartridge. Does need a decent barrel length though.

308, 30.06, both are great and components cheap and available. The 30.06 has the edge with heavier bullets.