I've only used winchester and norma brass and the norma was definately softer. In saying that I only use norma now and if you work up to suit the norma it lasts fine....my current batch are on their 5th reload.
Havnt used the 165 TMK but did use the 195 and it performed very well on the 7 Reds I took with it....I would compare it to an Amax
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