400gr 44magnum loads

https://detroitammoco.com/product/iq...0gr-44-magnum/

Im looking at doing something similar to what this guy has sorted

this hard cast coated projectile is apparently good in any 44magnum that is 1-26 or faster and mine is 1-20 (44/77)

I am just wondering if anyone has had any success with these heavier pills as until seeing this i thought the 250s were the upper limit

https://www.iqmunitions.com/2019/09/13/44-mag-subsonic/

the current Fiocchi "cowboy loads" are not great killers from what Iv seen so im looking around for a good alternative

if your current subsonic is already passing through,,upping weight wont help at all....it wont make any bigger hole or transpher anymore energy.... unless you hitting enough bone to slow it down/stop it going heavier will do nothing better

I have special order 15" Shilen select match stainless barrel in 44 with 1-16" twist that I ordered for a project gathering dust. Would need fitting & chambering but would be perfect for what your trying to do.

i like the meplat of the bullets, should be very effective on animals at sub speeds, heavy is good, heavier is even better . . accuracy at 200 looked excellant

good luck . . R

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I have special order 15" Shilen select match stainless barrel in 44 with 1-16" twist that I ordered for a project gathering dust. Would need fitting & chambering but would be perfect for what your trying to do.

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Id love to mate but I got the poors at the moment and I really want a fast twist 338 cal first, eventually one day ect

it really would be perfect tho

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if your current subsonic is already passing through,,upping weight wont help at all....it wont make any bigger hole or transpher anymore energy.... unless you hitting enough bone to slow it down/stop it going heavier will do nothing better

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If Im going to start reloading for this (which Is on the cards soon) it would be good the get better than the performance im getting from it with these hard flat front cowboy loads currently

Its either that or find some form of 44 special hunting proj that deforms and transfers some of the energy as im thinking these hard lead are just trucking thru and not changing shape that much or at all.
its hard to fault them as this isnt a hunting bullet but it would be good to get it use a bit more its wounding potential

its quite annoying that the 300blk I have is far more of a hammer than this thing

I make a .44 cal 270 grain HP and a 280 grain FP, Not hard cast
The mix I use is about 30:1 Lead to Tin, With sub loads the 270 HP stays in and the 280 FP trucks on out the other side
I don't thing anyone has recovered any.

I have a bunch of 280g cast that I used to use in that 77/44 as subsonics,would not be an issue running them faster as I discussed the subject with Robert when I got the bullets made up,not cast too hard either so they will expand,a mate has shot goats with them and he reakons they kill well.you are welcome to them.

Hard case Robert beat me to it on the comments!,

Second thoughts you should just sell me the 77/44 back!!always regret selling the hammer..

I will have to get some of the projectiles off you....and HOPEFULLY can borrow a set of dies for couple of weeks-month as local pighunter is down to 5 rounds....

Yea bud,pm me your address and I will send you some to try.

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I have a bunch of 280g cast that I used to use in that 77/44 as subsonics,would not be an issue running them faster as I discussed the subject with Robert when I got the bullets made up,not cast too hard either so they will expand,a mate has shot goats with them and he reakons they kill well.you are welcome to them.

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I think I have your old rifle so you might be able to Rosetta Stone my reloading process and tell me what works off the bat


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Yea bud,pm me your address and I will send you some to try.

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Legend man I’ll pm you


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I have not tried Roberts cast bullets, but I am sure that they are good. What I have found very good are the Nosler 300 gr HP. Very soft lead.
Regarding the 400's, I would re-calculate the twist required using Greenhills formula, which is correct for this type of projectile.

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Yep that’s my old 77/44..have pmed you my old data.

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I will have to get some of the projectiles off you....and HOPEFULLY can borrow a set of dies for couple of weeks-month as local pighunter is down to 5 rounds....

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MD pity you live so far away I have just set up my Dillon 550 to load .44 mags,
If you don't want pass throughs use the 270 HP's, A customer in Nelson is a Pest control contractor he uses the 280 FP's
his load's velocity is 900fps and will pass through pigs at 100 metres the hollow points don't, any powder AP70 and faster works
for subsonic I have used 700X at 5.0 grains very quiet, In my Bergara the sound level picks up at 800fps it has a DPT muzzle forward suppressor with 2 extra baffles.

awesome thanks..Bill has tried subsonic before and was VERY underwelmed..... I have two shotgun powders on hand...a 30 and a 50...no 70 buggeritall..... dont think they will work but will have a look,have lilgun and trailboss too so will do a bit of digging.

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awesome thanks..Bill has tried subsonic before and was VERY underwelmed..... I have two shotgun powders on hand...a 30 and a 50...no 70 buggeritall..... dont think they will work but will have a look,have lilgun and trailboss too so will do a bit of digging.

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Your AS50n is better than 70 for 44 subs 7-8 gr

there IS data for the AS30N on ADI site....bingo.
will see if can find data for the AS50N aswell thanks MH....havent seen any yet.

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awesome thanks..Bill has tried subsonic before and was VERY underwelmed..... I have two shotgun powders on hand...a 30 and a 50...no 70 buggeritall..... dont think they will work but will have a look,have lilgun and trailboss too so will do a bit of digging.

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I just find it wierd that a 30cal subs seems to kill better even tho the hole left by the 44 is bigger and the front face of the projectiles

I crushed about 5 in a row last time Seating the projectiles and got annoyed at it but it should just take me a few to get my head them


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there IS data for the AS30N on ADI site....bingo.
will see if can find data for the AS50N aswell thanks MH....havent seen any yet.

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7.6gr AS50N, 300gr Nosler, 14 inch barrel = 1030fps and ES of 6