and heres a funny bit about those two powders.....in the mighty .270w with 130grn projectiles the data for H4831 tops out at 60 grns...but the AR2213sc and 2213 before it both stopped couple of grains lower. smae powder different label. and 60 grns crunches when seating projectile LOL,might be less crunch if could find the old norma 130s as they were tiny compared to other brands...must be denser materials.
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