dare I say it..thats par for the course with the meat saver shot unless using something really explody.... sometimes its great,sometimes ,not so much.
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dare I say it..thats par for the course with the meat saver shot unless using something really explody.... sometimes its great,sometimes ,not so much.
Yeah I'm not looking for a face lift, if I get to 2850 that'll be plenty for me, even 2800 will be fine, it'll do the job and I will have achieved what I set out to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roarless20
Thanks for all the feedback guys, really appreciate it.
Well some may think these loads are way too hot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roarless20
In the rifles i have had and load for there is no pressure signs, all my Tikka rifles run long mags and bolt stops and are seated long.
Cases are onto 6 or more loadings with no stamping and or loose primer pockets. The only time i have had pressure issues is if the good old carbon ring has built up. This can happen very quick with RL 26.
Every rifle chamber and barrel is different some hit pressure earlier than others. I always ran into pressure issues using 2209 in the .260 and could only get very slow speeds, so switched to Hodgdon superproformance and have used it in a number of .260 since.
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With my 20" 2875 fps with most powders and 140 grn seems the upper comfortable limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rated M for Magnum
If you want comfortable extra speed drop a bullet weight. I'm 3140 fps with a 124 Hammer. N565 powder.
Believe me, it doesn't matter what fancy bore cleaner you use, if it's just using patches, there's no guarantee the bore will end up fully clean even when the patch comes out spotless. This is especially so with hard carbon rings that form in the throat. Even prolonged use of a new bronze brush will not shift them. You often have to resort to Autosol or JBs to get it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rated M for Magnum
There is only one way to see if your cleaning has worked and that's a borescope. These days, there is no excuse for not getting one as Teslongs are pretty cheap. They can actually save you money as in not wasting components trying to find a load when the real cause is fouling.
Some of you guys are getting good speed, I'm getting 2750 with factory ammo 143eldx chopped to 20 inch, I've shot 7 deer so far this month and I gotta say it kills bloody good at that speed, the bullet performance has been impressive.
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If you think about it, the difference between 2700 and 2900fps is less than 7%. Who can hold their hand on their heart and say that's a huge difference? I doubt the deer would notice.
Fair point, only really going to make a noticeable difference at distance. at 700 yards and 2700fps an eldx still has 1020ftlbs of energy and still going nearly 1800fps. 2900fps stretches those same numbers out to roughly 850 yards. i doubt many people out there are legitimately trying to take shots at animals with a 6.5 cal at those sort of distances.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6x47
7% in velocity. Kenetic Energy is 1/2 m v2. So it does make a difference. Also in wind deflection.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6x47
I'm not one to push for every ounc of velocity. But I definitely want to be in a higher node if possible. If not its not the end of the world. But at 600m there can be a bit of difference between 150fps mv
Drop is really not an issue with a RF so the main consideration is wind drift. At 600yds, the numbers with a 143 ELD-X (2700 v 2900) are 22.9 v 20.8. I wouldn't call 2" a massive difference, 6" maybe.
Re comments on pressure and carbon rings.
Velocity I have posted elsewhere is with COAL at over 3"
It's with 26 and it's in a custom action.
Pressure is fine when it's clean, I have got caught out with a carbon ring @ around 50 rounds from clean.
I've had it overpressure.....went from safe load to primers fall out of brass on first firing!!! :o
The reason it got to that point without me noticing while shooting is the Nitrided Defiance action is so much stronger than any other action I have owned it just showed zero sign of sticky bolt lift or ejection....It just said bring it bitch.
So I destroyed 5-6 cases before I even noticed as load was already settled and I was just shooting.
It required autosol to get rid of the ring.....I now clean for carbon every shoot.
So yes If using 26 definitely watch for pressure building/carbon ring .
If that sounds like a hassle send me your 26 and I will dispose of it safely.
Agree, but at 600 meters I'd probably be looking for something with a bit more omph on a red than the 6.5, or I'd close the gap a bitQuote:
Originally Posted by Nugget connaisseur
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Yeah. The 6.5 out of any case can be a slow killer when the ranges get out there. Around 400 yards starts to pull my 6.5x55 up with 140's and I haven't found my 6.5 PRC at 100 fps quicker significantly better.Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
Have you tried the eldm or atip or lrab out past 400 in 6.5 @Tahr ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
No I haven't. I've used a lot of 6.5 Amax 140's and still have a few left. They are devastating out to sort of 350 yards and then the kills get a bit slower. By slower I mean still deadly but a bit more tottering and stiff leg walking sort of stuff. Tissue damage is still extreme. Not sure how far Ive shot deer and Tahr with them but have definitely killed deer around 400 yds good enough with Amax and the 6.5x55 (that equate to eldm). Ive always thought that because of their high SD 6.5 bullets don't need to be flash or bonded to get good penetration.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
I cant tell much difference between the PRC and x55 with the 140 Amax's. But with the 124 hammers and the extra 250 fps the PRC is a good step up out to the around 400 yds Ive used it,
This mornings efforts with my 6.5 PRC using the 143gr ELDX. most were averaging .3 - .4 moa but pulled this one out of the bag.
Browning X-Bolt Hells Canyon Long Range, 26" Barrel. DPT Supressor. 3063fps average with a SD of 3.0. Super impressed with this rifle. Time to bowl over some deer now :thumbsup:
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Not shooting well mate, better send it back.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6.5 CRD
What powder you using?
AR2217
Shot 4 reds today at 436 yards eldx dropped them all on the spot.
Can't complain. @2810fps
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Nice one!Quote:
Originally Posted by 25/08 IMP
ELDX go together in this forum like tikka T3 7mm08s and ponsonby coffee...
I have used 147 eld ms in my 260. Bought the rifle off Buzz and he gave me his load specs. I reckon I have shot about 40-50 animals with that combo. Pigs, sika, reds and tahr. From 5y to 620y. Mates son flattened a nice bull tahr at 620y with my rifle. 1 shot and pole axed. Must hold its energy well and expand. I’ve had one memorable fU$k up on a ruahine red stag in the roar but that was operator error. 44 grains 2209. Lapua case.
Meant to also say 2700 fps.
The 143gn ELDX looks like THE Projectile for the 6.5 calibre. I shoot a 6.5 Creedmoor and use factory ammo.
I have been mainly using the Hornady superformance 129gn SST. I recently bought a couple of packs of the Hornady Precision Hunter 143gn ELDX.
I ran these over a chronograph and was dissapointed at the actual achieved velocity of these factory 143gn pills. MV was 2550fps.The rifle is a T3X tikka with 20" barrel.
Perhaps this is a good reason to handload. Just wondering if anyone else has experience with the factory loaded 143gn pills.
This sounds about right, i have a t3x 6.5 creedmoor shortend to 18 inches and it shoots the 143gr precision hunter factory ammo at 2459fps average. My partners 16 inch creedmoor shoots them at 2379fps average. 40fps loss per inch of barrel. So yours at 20 inch and 2550 is right on what id expect to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by zeropak
I havent developed a load for either of these properly yet, but did do a speed ladder with the 18 inch one, got to 2630fps with a slightly compressed load of 2209 before seeing pressure signs. Going to revisit once im finished with working on loads for other rifles.
If you want a bit more speed try Hodgdon superproormance it works well in the Creedmoor and .260 with 143 eldx and 147 ELDMQuote:
Originally Posted by 6.5 CRD
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I have some superformance here that im using in my 300wsm. Been tempted to try it in the creedmoor, maybe i will one day but for now ill stick with the 2209, dont need to get every last bit of speed out of it, for the hunting i do with it, it doesnt need to go far. I did read one of your posts from a different thread about your superformance/creedmoor experiences, impressive speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by 25/08 IMP
Ok so that being the case. I would argue that better performance can be achieved with a 129gn projectile vs the 143gn. At least with factory ammo.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6.5 CRD
The ballistic calculator tells be that the 143gn at 2550 only just make the magical 1000 foot pounds of energy at 400m. Whereas the 129gn SST still has about just over 1000 foot pounds at 500 metres. Perhaps the 142 or heavier projectile has a place with The 6.5 PRC but not the Creedmoor.
Yeah i guess it depends on your barrel length & if your hand loading or not. Some pretty decent speeds can be achieved in the creedmoor with powders like superformance which will stretch its legs. For me, my 18 inch 6.5 creedmoor has a thermal scope and i use it out to around 200-250m absolute maximum & my partners 16 inch creedmoor is just a soft shooting short bush - 200m gun for her. Neither of them need to shoot far so the 143gr eldx work well.Quote:
Originally Posted by zeropak
Yep I agree. It seems that handloading can get a bit more out of the 143 ELDX. It is a bit of an irony that the ELDX is touted as a great long range projectile but for what you are doing at mostly sub 200m it could arguably be a better choice than the 129gn SST due to its slower velocity and its heavier construction which would mean it would hold together better at those shorter ranges. The 129 SST has performed really well for me at longer ranges but I think If I was bush hunting then the 143 ELDX would be my choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6.5 CRD
That's why speed is important my Creedmoor with hand loaded 143 is still holding 1021fp of energy at 775 yards
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Jeez that a huge difference compared to the precision hunter factory loads. Do you care to share the load data and MV that gives you that sort of performance. Something like this could convince me to get back into handloading.Quote:
Originally Posted by 25/08 IMP
I'll PM you my load dataQuote:
Originally Posted by zeropak
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A semi mild load of RL16 & 143eldx going at 2700fps will give you a similar outcome. My 22" creedmoor loves it, have ramped it up to 2800+ but prefer it mild.Quote:
Originally Posted by zeropak
156 Berger would be my top choice especially if you’ve got a 65 prc / saum / 284
Thanks for that, data received. Much appreciated.Quote:
Originally Posted by 25/08 IMP
I am a little confused re the energy figures at 775 yard. My ballistic program (Strelok Pro) shows the energy figure for a 143gn ELDX going 2780 at 775 yards to be 700 foot Lbs.
What am I missing here?
Sorry that was early on when rifle was new it is now doing 2816 fpsQuote:
Originally Posted by zeropak
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Somethings up with your bc numbers. You aren't using a g7 number in a g1 box are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by zeropak
A 143 eldx leaving at 2550 will hold 1800 fps and 1000 ft lb out to 600 yards
The tikka 6.5 barrels are slow aye, factory 143 does 2500 in my 16 inch kimber
Ahaah got it the Strelok still had the default BC in the stats. I fixed that and thing started to look more like you quote above. Yeah I was pretty disappointed in the velocity of the Pro Hunter loads in the Tikka. However with Handloads I now agree that the ELDX projectiles look like the way to go. Lets hope components get as little easier to get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick-D
Plenty of ELDX around my local has them on the shelfQuote:
Originally Posted by zeropak
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