You need to watch the COAL/ Mag thing... I found the Maximum COAL I can use and still have 0.5mm jump, is still 1mm more than I can fit in the Polymer AICS mag using the 147gn ELD-X... Have a steel mag on order now.Quote:
Originally Posted by LJP
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You need to watch the COAL/ Mag thing... I found the Maximum COAL I can use and still have 0.5mm jump, is still 1mm more than I can fit in the Polymer AICS mag using the 147gn ELD-X... Have a steel mag on order now.Quote:
Originally Posted by LJP
It was designed for American cross the course match shooting at 200 300 600 yards it has lower recoil than the .308 and heavier projectiles than the 5.56
and has better 1000 yard performance than the other two, For a pure hunting 6.5 the 6.5x55 is all you need with 140 gr bullet for long range and 156 gr RN in the bush.
Now that was an interesting read!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wingman
re-inventing the wheel you could say..... looks like a souped up M60 ...PIG... I did notice there was no comparison between them two...as for closing comment re short range round...funny how the 5.56 didnt have enough legs for out long but it convineintly got over looked for up close ,feed it with the origonal rounds it was designed around..a 55 grn and give it a slower twist rate so the plurry things can get unstable and the short range thing is no longer an issue....
looks like another case of someone creating themselves a job by trying to fix a problem that wasnt there in first place (like when the powers that be decided the 5.56 was better for troops than the 7.62....... bet your bottom $$$ the guys on front line would have preferred a FN or M4 than the colt M16s they were issues...and then they got ammo that was redesigned by office number crunchers and it made situation worse
oh shit Im ranting...
must go make cuppa tea...
Damn. Now 6.5CM is a machine gun round, and we'll never hear the end of it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wingman
I'd like to know what powder recipe they are using for the military rounds, and what velocity they have settled on.
They are currently testing with Sellier & Bellot SB65AQuote:
Originally Posted by Flyblown
FMJ 140 GR ammo, muzzle velocity acording to S&Bs info it is 2657 fps from a 22" barrel. They are loaded with a cz made commercial ball powder.
There are a few vids on youtube of guys testing them in bolt rifles running 2750ish in 24" barrels.
SOCOM did a test on 6.5 CM vs. 7.62 NATO and 6.5 has much tighter groups, less wind drift, carries more energy and accuracy at 1000 metres and has more terminal distance.
So it's being adopted for it's semi auto designated marksman rifles and now for it's machine guns and nope this one is not a craze. It does the job better than 7.62 NATO/308 Win with no downside to it.
Does that make 308 Win/7.62 NATO dead? No, it's still a great cartridge that works fine.
They also found that marksmanship improved almost 40% for the AVG soldier increasing 1st round hit probability by 33% Which is quite an achievement.Quote:
Originally Posted by wanneroo
sometimes it would be nice if they compared apples with apples..... bet your left testicle that test was done with the most efficent projectile weight and shape for 6.5 and a bog std one for the 7.62....what is it they use??? 144grn or some such...poke out say a 165 sleak n slippery design and see results.
Recent historic documents have surfaced, possibly fake, that the Third Reich was settling on 6.5 as the ideal calibre towards the end of WW2.
Sorry about the language - warning not for children.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOLhadyt3_0
The 6.5 creedmore is here to stay, the new gun sales in creedmore, supersede all other 6.5 combined, at least in North America, so I've been informed at the last gun show, by three different large dealers in attendance,
I've got 4, 6.5 cal, a .264 win and .260 in NZ and a creedmore and 6.5x54 mannlicher in Canada, I've not fired a shot out of the LAW creedmore, can't get interested in it, the 1903 mannlicher, is so much more fun, had both out yesterday, thought to myself, really must sight this in, and then picked up the mannlicher, wandered out to shed, and put another 100, 160 gr round nose hornardy, over top of 38 gr H4350, Double rifles, and carbine, vintage stalking rifles, are just that much better handling. :thumbsup:
Clever video taken from that great movie, 'Downfall'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
120's knock them over well too, I prefer them over 140's out to 200Quote:
Originally Posted by shooternz
Here is/was one - a 6.5mm Japanese Type 99 LMG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bol Tackshin
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Beautifully worked guns, from the spiral barrel air cooling fin to the wooden carrying handle. A controllable 5-600 rpm with 9kg gun weight, 30rd banana magazines.
Notice the very practical tall bipod legs, allowing for shooting over cover as well as in tall undergrowth.
"when you care enough to send the very best" USSOCOMQuote:
Originally Posted by Bol Tackshin
(Pirated the expression from an old FTD commercial)
It's a very good little cartridge and is well supported by good quality, accurate factory ammo, but other than that it really doesn't add anything that .260, 6.5 x 55 Swedish and 6.5 x 47 Lapua can already do. OK, it's shorter than the .260, but not as short as 6.5 x 47 Lapua. Anyway, they all do the job, so take your pick.
Oh, and having worked with the US Army, I wouldn't get excited about the fact that they chose anything.
The fact they made a change at all uis momentous. And they chose the 65 Creedmoor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spitfire
Long story short 260Rem and 6.5x55 did not meet their requirements. End of story.
I shoot 65 Creedmoor, but I have a real love for the 6.5x47, and have played with a buddies 260 rem. All 3 are great, but I made the switch to 65 Creed, and I am currently enjoying the round.
They are all good, but the idea that the military always gets the best stuff is not quite correct. Often cost, nationality of the manufacturer, legal considerations and marketing play a bigger part than how good the kit is. Perhaps 6.5 Creedmoor was selected because it’s made by an American company which is also the biggest ammunition supplier so can guarantee supply in the quantities required. Hornady also has a great marketing department.
Even if 6.5x47 was better, it was never going be selected over Creedmoor. I don’t have a dog in the fight, but don’t believe that because the US Army selects something that it must automatically be the best.
Seller and Bellot is not based out of the USA, so that was not a consideration. They have the green light for the MK48 link ammo, and by extension the standard service rifle ammunition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spitfire
Military does not get the best stuff unless SPECOPS, typically it is the most dependable though.
The Military in general selects the best compromise. And backwards compatibility. Add in ammunition weight, cost etc, and the contest was between the 260 and the 65 Creedmoor.
Gut feelings tell me that the ease of conversion to 65 Creedmoor is what really sealed the deal.
Agree with that completely. If you look at the American military in the 1800's they were still using percussion caps and black powder when many lever action rifles were in use in "the wild west". Surely these would have been a better option at the timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Spitfire
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Originally Posted by Cordite
A Nambu, the Czech slash BRNO origins are obvious. My dad got given one in Suva, a deactivated bring-back, by some US Marines in the mid 40’s. I SO wished he’d managed to bring it here when I was a youngster.
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Originally Posted by ishoot10s
I hear your need and I feel your pain...
That Col. Nambu was a genius. Redesigned the Arisaka rifle in the firsf decade of the 1900s, made the bolt entirely strippable with no tools but your hands, having also reduced it to only 5 components. Strenghtened the locking lugs without increasing weight by going for width rather than height and ended up making the strongest infantry bolt action of ww1+2. Beautiful and practical palm safety for when the brown stuff hits the fan and soldiers' fine motor control gets iffy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kijir%C5%8D_Nambu
The late Robbie Tiffen showed me his Nambu MG like the one pictured at a visit to Gunworks. A real treasure, and we had a yarn about Japanese craftsmanship. If you had to die for the Emperor you had to be behind a handsome firearm.
I recently talked an older hunter (73), into buying a 6.5 creedmore (howa). He had the rings lapped,and a $350 scope fitted. He's getting one ragged-hole, 5-shot groups @ 100m with 140gr ammo ( Belmont I think). Pretty impressive for $1200, and bought ammo
