Just about a long action cartridge probably suit xm little longer than a 300wsm case
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Just about a long action cartridge probably suit xm little longer than a 300wsm case
Well that’s a bummer, I guess the SAUM still wins!
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by stagstalker
I'd heard this was coming out and was hoping it'd be proper SA cartridge, basically a 7SAUM but with factory ammo and readily available brass.
180's doing almost 3k in factory ammo will be mint, hopefully they have a big stockpile of ammo before its released even if its still a couple of years away from our shores
Advantage over the saum would be more brass variety available?
Theres remington, Norma, Nosler, b Bertram, adgQuote:
Originally Posted by lau lau
If you ran a metal detector over the kawekas you’d have enough for gosh knows how long :)
I will admit, if this came out in a factory chambered Tikka where it goes well with the medium action mag length it would be attractive. So long as they do it justice with full length in the magazine and a long bolt stop.
even if they do make the mags a little short will be aftermarket ones available not long after or just grind out the block a littleQuote:
Originally Posted by stagstalker
Yeah, ive just measured up a 7 Saum case and a 7 WSM case, and compared to the 7 PRC print above, the 7 PRC sure does have a case capacity increase over the SAUM and WSM, but at the cost of OAL. However the 7 PRC would be nice if you were wanting to run 180gr + bullets and potentially be a better option than a 7RM in the likes of a T3 where mag length can be an issue with long heavy bullets.Quote:
Originally Posted by stagstalker
The 7 PRC must have a similar case capacity to the 7 Blaser Mag eh?
The 7 PRC has the same neck length as the 7 SAUM too, which is longer than the 7 WSM
I’d say so they will come with fast twists to making them viable tikkas will still be to short from factory knowing them plenty of brass options for saum this will get better support than blaser mag unfortunately ultimately resulting in people thinking it’s better
Yip and when exceeding 3” theirs better options in my opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by stagstalker
Its basically a 7-375r that terminator have been making for a long time my old one build on a mag feeding tikka m695 with 180s was running at 3150fpsQuote:
Originally Posted by GWH
Honestly hate this as was hoping for a short action. Read awhile ago this was intended for a long action. Biggest issue is the 180s are going to be even harder to find if they come out.Quote:
Originally Posted by 199p
So you were hoping for a SAUM? Yea iv being hunting for 180s for a long time moving my attention to 195s now . Like a slightly shortened LRM with a shorter neckQuote:
Originally Posted by Stocky
And a fast twist! :PQuote:
Originally Posted by stagstalker
Pretty much more brass availability factory clambering with decent twists etc. If like the 6.5prc many extended mag short actions etc. I have some 195s that I would trade if you do sort out 180s. I also would have liked a 7mm Creed as well to suit the 162sQuote:
Originally Posted by Kelton
Sweet looking caliber but the saums not going to be replaced. be sweet when lapua start making brass for it. Eventually the saum may get lapua brass the way its being used in f class ect.
Few 7 creed wildcats about they seem to do well . Iv stopped looking for the 180s and will just look for 195s now . The 6.5 prc had it not being for the factory factor is a waste of time except it’s not because of the factory factor and fast twist factory rifles. It’s all in the marketing. The prc actually manages to paint the wheel and call it new with all the marketing hype and obviously us the consumer giving it the sales . They were clever with their Sammi specs . the 7 will be the same some where in the 8 twists heaps of hype heaps of factory riflesQuote:
Originally Posted by Stocky
Plenty saum brass but the factory factor is beyond pour but that leaves room for really light weight slap together bitsa rifles with the appropriate sized actions
I've got a 7mm Creed that throws the 160tmk @2880fps with 41.3gr 2208.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Stocky
Works mint for me, longest kills being 2 goats at 725meters
Sweet looking caliber but the saums not going to be replaced. be sweet when lapua start making brass for it. Eventually the saum may get lapua brass the way its being used in f class ect.xm might be a little short but would work
Thats amazingly efficient.Quote:
Originally Posted by lau lau
I was hoping they would do it off the 300 prc but this sounds pretty cool. I reckon that by the time these reach nz in 5 or 6 years I'll be ready for one :XD:
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Originally Posted by Tim Dicko
Doesn’t need it it has ADG
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Originally Posted by lau lau
That is very good bbl length?
40inchs lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelton
I think lapua is still king of the hill. But adg is tough as.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelton
I know it seems stupid complaining that it's not a SA cartridge as that'd be basically replicating the SAUM but that's what every new popular Hornady cartridge has been.
6.5 Creedmoor, 6 Creed, 6.5 PRC, 300 PRC all had exisiting cartridges that performed basically the same, it's just Hornady made a few tweaks to the designs to make them as fit for purpose as possible rather than a design from the 70s that has some short comings.
What the Hornady cartridges bring is availability, be it factory rifles, ammo, brass in decent quanities and backing from the likes of other companies (like Lapua).
The 7SAUM is definitely becoming more popular around the world and you can get brass from a few places now, but the 260rem was still somewhat popular when the 6.5CM came out yet it managed to bring availability to a whole new level.
24inchesQuote:
Originally Posted by Kelton
7-375R 7 blaser mag 7 LRM fast twist 7RM all fit that bill mate none factory iv corseQuote:
Originally Posted by Rated M for Magnum
Agree all starts with marketing the 300 prc I liked for the Sammi long heavy’s nothing the others can’t do they just require a custom throat nosler clapped them self at the heels with their Sammi spec it’s superior with a custom reamer but it’s all $$$ compared to a factoryQuote:
Originally Posted by Beetroot
Offering . Marketing and better saami specs have seen these prc cartridges thrive . The 6.5 saum shots the prc but it might as well be a wild cat
The first blue forum started up with many a yarn and much hilarity in 1995
The first model 7 and SF1 sendero in 7saum arrived in NZ in 2002
Since then Forums the world over have declared the 7saum is gaining in popularity
Truth is, it was never unpopular, it just gets “discovered” by each new hunter
The rem brass we coveted was average compared to what we have on offer these days
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Harvesting Sika in 2002 with probably the most ideal short action cartridge available, both then and now
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Now that’s something I can get behind bridges a gap between the humble 7-08Rem and 7Rsaum . I’m sure the 7x57 and others alot in their alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by lau lau
My comments are all very biased to my point of view based upon what I like from a cartridge and what I look for
#1 I like my cartridges to fit my actions
#2 I like my short actions cartridges short and my long actions long pretty much a rehash on #1
#3 I enjoy a good power/efficiency balance but I’m not opposed to a barrel burning powder eating rip snorter now and then
#4 Optimal twist for chosen weight class
#5 I don’t mind having to change a barrel to achieve all of the above
So given all of the above I prefer the reasons for me
6.5 Saum over 6.5 PRC
7 Blaser mag over 7 PRC
And 300 PRC over the Nosler and Winchester mag
Their we have it one out of three ain’t bad
The difference is now its getting popular for target shooters.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmsaum
It's very popular as an F class cartridge and getting popular as a mid range ELR cartridge in the states.
The 6.5 PRC is getting some ground in the ELR, PRS, NRL games in the US and it's not a huge stretch to see a SA 7mm magnum getting more popular in time.
There are far more hunters in the world than target shooters but the average hunter is lucky to shoot 100 rounds a year where as many competitive shooters will shoot that in a day.
Cartridges can hang around for years for hunters who can have 50 pieces of brass last them the life of their rifle but would never be practical for a competitive shooter.
Would be pretty good being able to buy packet ammo with a 180 doing close to 3k.
As much as I dislike reloading I don't think there would be any benefit switching from my well proven 7saum
Greetings All,
I bought a Remington Sendero in 7mm SAUM in 2004 with ideas of using it on the Kaweka tops especially around Kiwi Saddle. The following year a Remington VSSF in .223 cuddled up next to it in the safe. The VSSF is almost identical to the Sendero, other than chambering, so the idea was to use it in 4P comps as a trainer rifle for the SAUM. The VSSF got used quite a bit but the SAUM not so much due to declining mobility and sloth. I have ample brass and projectiles for any possible future use so I really must get it out of the safe a bit more.
Regards Grandpamac.
I go hot and cold with reloading I just do lots of 100 now and by the time iv used them iv got a hankering to load again . I only have one rifle and load about 40x.308 rounds a year for a friend of mine so my times of hours and hours at the bench are done . It will suit some people perfectly and I admit the prc range has being a game changer for those who want the performance but are not interested in reloading so that is a huge positiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Gkp
Yes do dust it off for a range tripQuote:
Originally Posted by grandpamac
i think its an awkward case size. Its a little long for a xm action. the saum is perfect for the xm. able to seat out far. The 7mm/6.5mm prc would go alright. Reloading is consistent as long as the variables are the same and your load is tuned. Not a stab in the dark. If i could but ammunition that was perfect lot to lot it would be tempting to get that ammo. The ocd reloading is satisfying's. But you guys are right is all marketing hype. Its great for factory chambering having correct twist rates ect but not life changing.
