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I have a 2004 version of the ADI handloaders guide.
Just happened to be looking at the latest version and there are MANY big differences in the loads listed.
Some of the pistol data is 20% LESS in the current version.
Just a heads up
Havnt check my rifle data yet
My assumption is that the online info would be the most recent?
You can imagine my reaction when I look up a 160gr pill using 2217 in my 7mm Rem Mag and it reads 66gr max - yet my load is 72gr.
Book loading data is "lowest common denominator", I basically use it as a rough starting point and make up my own loads now.
Countdown to someone telling me I'm horrifically unsafe and I'll blow my face off (I don't have a speed-boner like crzyman so it's unlikely that I will)
More lawyers= More dumbing down, and that goes for everything they have a hand in, luckily we don't have the ambulance chasers like in the US and Aussie.............
Some of the 300 Rum Data is miles out.....
When you look at the Hodgens site it is obvious why, they used Barnes bullets on some loads, but don't mention that on the ADI site......
There seems to be no conistancy.
Old book 45ACP loads way hotter than current - to the point I'll get Gimp to shoot them off for me :D
Old book 9mm loads way softer than current
Like they have changed powder brews a little and not told anyone.
The 300 RUM 2218 loads are about right - 2225 waaaaaaaaaay off
2225 is a bitch.
I did some load development with my new 338 Norma mag in the weekend.
I had 1 pottle that had a different batch number on it so I used that.
I had nearly used it all so I had settled on a load & then broke open the next pottle.
New powder is too hot with same weight, gained 40-50 fps...Bugger now I have 20 to pull & reload with 1 or 2 grains less.
I have some Retumbo so I guess I will have to check that as well.....
Agree with the comment about the Hogdon site, heaps more loads to choose from there, and easier to use.
Thats good to read, i started my 9mm loads at 4.5 gr of ap70n, 18inches high at 25 mt, couldnt handle the recoil, dropped down to 4.0 gr, totally different gun! what does the old book say for 9mm 115gr bullet ap70n? i'd be interested to know....Quote:
Originally Posted by Spanners
Old book says 5.0gr with 115gr as MAX
I'm shooting about 4.8gr (or is it more?) of AP70N in my 9s with 124gr costed lead proj
Havnt put them over the chrony
They're warm - 2k + and no probs yet lol
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by gimp
The ADI reloading hand book is only a very ruff guide and most people that have used it know its out most of the time on what you end up with.
No but they on the way!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulltahr
This is an old thread, but found it while trying to sort a load for my 9mm CZ. Using 124gn Heavy Plated bullets and AP70N. I started and 3.8gn and only got 675fps and of course gun that didn't cycle. Jumped up to 4.3gn, but then had some crony issues. Will shoot these at the range along with some 4.5gn loads. I've NOT crimped any of these.
I've read plenty on AP70N with 124gn bullets and some folk are stating they are starting at 3.8 or 4.0 and getting Minor Power Factor, yet I'm struggling. What gives?
i use ap50 , 3.7 grains with 124 lead .... gives me 1140 0n average
Had trouble with a new rifle adi loads very flat primers on minimum load contacted ADI and was told the loads listed are for those componants listed only
and wont work with differant projectiles or cases etc
I've used a lot of different ADI powders in rifles and never had any issues. But first time loading for pistol and things don't seem to stack up.
Yes, I did start well below the minimum for the 124gn plated bullets, but only as I wanted a slower load than their book speed. Anyway, I'll try these 4.3 and 4.5 on the weekend at the range and see what happens. But 675pfps seems very slow compared to what some folk in Australia and the U.S.
Another thing to note is I'm check headspace in my barrel, not a gauge. These are measuring 29.74mm, so quite a way out. Maybe if I seat them a bit deeper, this will push up the pressure and therefore the velocity?
Are they flat point projectiles?
No, round nose. X-terme bullets
A rule I was taught and stick to, always have 2 books/sources and check. So I use the Lee book, ADI book and ADI site....I'll go look at the hodgson though sounds interesting.
Yet when I emailed ADI about their 62gr FMJ with their 2208 and their 223 cases for a load min/max they said use the 63gr? as 'we dont have any load data" to suit. Like WTF????Quote:
Originally Posted by 260rem
Got my things sorted. 4.3gn keeps me in the game, but still a little inconsistency(shit thrower I think).
Thanks to those who commented and sent PMs.
My G17 loves 4.5 of ap70 accuracy wise. But crony gives an avg of 1040 (10 shot string) so only just making power factor. Am using 124gr berries but with a long oal.
The 4.0 of ap70 was just under power factor in the G17. Maybe a shorter oal will sneak the 4.0s in.
I loved ap50 but havent found any recently in the 2kgs.
Cheers.
I crony'd a few loads on sunday cos I couldn't get AP50 and trying to get enough loaded ready for SI 3 gun, AP70 feels terrible and I haven't got a load I shoot well with yet.
3.7gr AP50 with 124gr CMJ Rnd nose, 28mm OAL from CZ sp01 avg-1061 very consistent, 15 fps spread
4.4gr AP70 with 124gr CMJ Rnd nose, 28mm OAL from CZ sp01 avg-1077, anywhere from 1020 fps-1100fps
Yet a couple guys happily run CZ SP01, 4.3gr AP70 using the 124gr CMJ with Flatpoint and seated to 27.2mm, nearly compressed load, i'm just gonna scrounge every gram of AP50 i can for the next year and stick with what works
You extreme spread is interesting with the AP70. Very similar to what I got, 80-90fps. Settling for 4.4/5gn for me should keep my average in check too. I originally did look at AP50, but it appears there isn't much around, hence the reason for AP70. Will consider non ADI next time round too.Quote:
Originally Posted by specweapon
Yep I think I will drop ADI as well, I loved the ap50 but read they were going to stop manufacturing it and where changing their mixtures. AP70 is ok but I far prefer ap50 over it and as30 meters like crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uplandstalker
I've shot a few weekends with a friends loads for his CZ Czechmate and they're a pretty speedy load with 700x, not sure what charge weight but were very nice to shoot and the closest i've felt to my ap50 loads, I may pick up 4lb and use that during the ap50 shortage.