Anyone familiar with these projectiles?

I believe these are Winchester projectiles for the 22 Hornet.

They are 40gn .224 dia FMJ Hollow Points. I suspect they were sold in bulk bags but maybe not. Can't find them online. Quite distinctive and likely obsolete now.

I've finished up with a qty of them from different sources and they shoot fine out of the Hornet. Not sure they would handle a fast twist like say in a 1:8 223.

If someone has an original packet they could send me photos of that would be great. I'd be keen to know max speed on them out of a 1:12 twist barrel - I'm guessing around 2800fps. Also to confirm they are a Winchester product.

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pretty sure they are 22 magnum projectiles and perfect for your task.

@muzr257 didnt Gary Dix load these at one point in time

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

pretty sure they are 22 magnum projectiles and perfect for your task.

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Except who reloads 22 Magnum?

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Originally Posted by Jhon

Except who reloads 22 Magnum?

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Possibly he loaded them in 22 Hornet ?

nope Gary loaded them in .223 for rabbit control.....

I have a friend who has shot a load of those from his Martini action 22 Kilbourne-Hornet built by Robbie Tiffen. He was lamenting just last week to me that he doesn't have many left. I would definitely acquire some on his behalf if you wanted to sell some @Jhon?

Put some 27.5 gn of win 748 behind them and they should run well, should be up near 3100,if I remember correctly.
As far as twist goes no problem I run 1in9.can't remember the K hornet. Happy to try a few packs for you. :D
KH

Ok all good info thks but does anyone know if they actually are Winchesters? Good to know they'll handle 3100fps @Kiwi-Hunter

wait till @muzr257 chimes in......I BELIEVE the ones Gary was using were winchester bulk buy projectiles made for the .22magnum but diverted for reloaders to use in .223 or the hornet....... its nearly 30 years ago but Muz will know forsure.

Why wouldn't they handle 3100fps? Now if you asked if they could handle a 1:8 Swift at full throttle, that's a different question.

Looking at them they look very much like the Winchester 40 gr SP factory round in 22 Magnum

3100fps wit ha 1;12 is completely different to with a 1;8 30% more twist spinning 30% faster hell of a lot of G forces at play.

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

3100fps wit ha 1;12 is completely different to with a 1;8 30% more twist spinning 30% faster hell of a lot of G forces at play.

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Yes, my 223 is 1:8.5 twist. I suspect the little fellas would kinda Shotgun out the muzzle at 3100 with that twist. But guess I could try it...

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

3100fps wit ha 1;12 is completely different to with a 1;8 30% more twist spinning 30% faster hell of a lot of G forces at play.

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That load isn't full throttle. And I find the 40gn like fast enough.
But Hay worth a play, my 22.250 was 1in 12 and it didn't like heavy 55gn max so the light pill should run.
But as said 1in 9 is what I am running and they hold hands all 10 of them on a good day.
KH

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Originally Posted by Jhon

Except who reloads 22 Magnum?

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they are defiantly .22 Magnum projectiles I bought 400 of them from Reloaders Supplies in the 1970's
Winchester sold them in bulk and Reloaders sold them in bags of 200, Winchester also sold primed .22 Mag brass
There was a fad of making wildcats out of the .22 Mag necking them down to .12" .14" .17" .19" and .20"
I shot them in my .22 Hornets with 296 the velocity was 3120FPS deadly on possums
I wouldn't use them in a fast twist they will not handle the high RPM better to use 40gr Vmax.

Richard Wilhelm used to sell these and 110 grain .308 loose pack projectiles at prices we would not believe today[the good old days]
They shot well at 22mag speeds.

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The other bulk buy at the time was Remington sp.I don't remember hollow points from them.
As for what they are back then and what the projectile field now has offer with quality control speaks for itself.
But good to get a batch of fur killers at a good price as they only have to be minute of rabbit and the likes of.
I still have 55gn Remington that I didn't find that great, but someone may get them to work better than me.
If you don't like the 40gn take some of my 55gn.
Same headache in a different basket. It's more a matter of powder then projectiles in most cases 樂although this is an elastic statement.
And hard at times to find the voice of reason in this field.

KH

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Originally Posted by shooternz

they are defiantly .22 Magnum projectiles I bought 400 of them from Reloaders Supplies in the 1970's
Winchester sold them in bulk and Reloaders sold them in bags of 200, Winchester also sold primed .22 Mag brass
There was a fad of making wildcats out of the .22 Mag necking them down to .12" .14" .17" .19" and .20"
I shot them in my .22 Hornets with 296 the velocity was 3120FPS deadly on possums
I wouldn't use them in a fast twist they will not handle the high RPM better to use 40gr Vmax.

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I wondered how folk would handload a rimfire cartridge. Preprimed brass clearly allows that. Something I've never heard of so thanks for that. Amazing the depth of knowledge on this forum. I have 1:12 twist in Hornet and 22-250 so lots of scope. What was the 296 charge for 3120fps please?

necking down the .22magnum to .17....how silly it would never catch on........oh hang on a minute LOL

Hogdon current data does not list a 296 load for 40gn bullets. In fact they only show one 296 load and that's for 35gn. They have an H110 load and that's also the fastest they list currently for 40gn

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LilGun is meant to be the bees knees for 22 Hornet but max velocity for 40gn is slower than H110.

Guess I'll be digging through some older load data to see what I can find to get up to the 3k levels some of you guys are talking about for 40gn with 296

296 IS h110 also known as H4227 AR2205R-123 AA1680 N120 thats the equivilents

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

296 IS h110 also known as H4227 AR2205R-123 AA1680 N120 thats the equivilents

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Yes thanks Mickey, I'm aware of all that and have used H110 data for loading 296 in the past, mostly Belmont Magnum Pistol which is also 296. Doesn't change the fact that Hogdon online current has a paucity of load data for 40gn in 22 Hornet and none for 296. They do provide data separately for 296 and H110. In this instance, 296 for 35 gn, H110 for 40gn. Keen to know what loads others have data for that give 40gn bullet velocities over 3000 fps especially with 296/H110

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Originally Posted by Jhon

I wondered how folk would handload a rimfire cartridge. Preprimed brass clearly allows that. Something I've never heard of so thanks for that. Amazing the depth of knowledge on this forum. I have 1:12 twist in Hornet and 22-250 so lots of scope. What was the 296 charge for 3120fps please?

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Don't remember the charge think I just used the data for the 40gr Vmax,
The Vmax was more accurate so I shot them most of the time then switched to a 45gr cast.

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

296 IS h110 also known as H4227 AR2205R-123 AA1680 N120 thats the equivilents

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They maybe equivalent burning rate but they are not the same specially in a .22 Hornet case capacity one tenth of a grain is a lot
in that small case, It was originally a black powder cartridge after all I treat it as an improved reloadable .22 Magnum.

Yep from memory there in a 6000 bag - they were winchester 22magnum projectiles. Went really well in 223.

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Originally Posted by muzr257

Yep from memory there in a 6000 bag - they were winchester 22magnum projectiles. Went really well in 223.

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What powder/load? What twist was the 223?