Anyone used Hodgdon Titegroup for 223 sub loads ?

So I was slowly surfing the web this afternoon, and came across Hodgdon web site which lists a load data for Titegroup of :
Take Aim at Rifle Reloading Data | Hodgdon Reloading
HodgdonTitegroup .224" 2.200" 3.1gr 1,064 fps 4,000 CUP

Anyone here done it before ? Sounds (ho ho ho) like a fun load to play around with. There's loads of other forum posts in the US from 2008, but hoping for a spot of something more recent.

I had to google the speed of sound (I was close) and found the attached article, which although it was written from an sir gunner perspective, I found very interesting!

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3.1g in a 223 case would only 1/4 fill it

Thats a colossal air gap to promote inconsistent velocity

Id rather use trail boss and 3/4 fill the case

Had a bit of a play with trail boss in the 223 but couldn't get it to shoot subsonic. Didn't really preserver though.

May i ask why bother? Use the winchester 22 42gr subs?

Was thinking of making up some 308 sub loads with some Titegroup if anyone has tried this I'd be interested how they got on?

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Originally Posted by matto1234

May i ask why bother? Use the winchester 22 42gr subs?

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Because you can.

Yup that. Got a couple of very suitable .22's, was just thinking of this as a project, not a necessity. Already 2206H but nothing on the ADI site has subsonic data.

Fair enough, can you not use the 2206h? Try working down ?

If I had the brains lol. There's AS30 data for 1060fps for 3.2gr, was just wondering on the Titegroup as I may need to move onto it for pistol anyway.

Got some 200gr roundnose projectiles for the 308, yet to load them up with trailboss and get a subsonic load sorted

@Kscott. Be careful with load density (the proportion of powder in the case). If there is too much air space in the case you can (apparently) run the risk of detonation. That is the powder lying flat in the case and when fired, instead of burning consistently through the powder column, it burns much faster back and forth across the surface creating much greater pressures. Here is a link to Trail boss data.
http://www.imrpowder.com/PDF/Trail-Boss-data.pdf
I have not ever heard of it happening but it may be worth a bit of research. Some people use dacron to fill the case and keep the powder in a column against the primer. @223nut. I have a subsonic 200gn load for my 308 using 10.2gn of Trail Boss. (16" bbl). Shoots really well.

Just found this thread.
http://handloads.com/forum/showthrea...=5&thread=2473
Interesting.

Detonation if it happens is with reduced charges of slow burning powder in big cases, small charges of pistol powder in a .223 may not be very accurate but it won't detonate a pinch of dacron will improve the accuracy 3-5 grains
of AS30 burn rate powders work ok in .22Hornet .222 and .223 just need to play around and see what works best, be careful not to get a bullet stuck in the barrel they are a bastard to remove unless they are cast bullets,
For reduced loads not subsonic Hodgdon recommends a 60% load of H4895/AR2206H, I have used 25 grains of AR2206H with a cast 151 grn HP bullet in my .308 velocity is around 1800fps depending on barrel length.

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Originally Posted by shooternz

Detonation if it happens is with reduced charges of slow burning powder in big cases, small charges of pistol powder in a .223 may not be very accurate but it won't detonate a pinch of dacron will improve the accuracy 3-5 grains
of AS30 burn rate powders work ok in .22Hornet .222 and .223 just need to play around and see what works best, be careful not to get a bullet stuck in the barrel they are a bastard to remove unless they are cast bullets,
For reduced loads not subsonic Hodgdon recommends a 60% load of H4895/AR2206H, I have used 25 grains of AR2206H with a cast 151 grn HP bullet in my .308 velocity is around 1800fps depending on barrel length.

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Thanks for that. I didn't realise it had anything to do with the powder burn rate. I thought it was purely down to too lower load density regardless of the burn rate.
From that last thread I read it may will be a myth anyway.

Trailboss

Safest option

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Originally Posted by Shearer

Had a bit of a play with trail boss in the 223 but couldn't get it to shoot subsonic. Didn't really preserver though.

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Better clarify my own post here.
I could get it (trail boss and 55gn BTs) subsonic but it was not accurate. (2" at 50m)

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Originally Posted by shooternz

For reduced loads not subsonic Hodgdon recommends a 60% load of H4895/AR2206H, I have used 25 grains of AR2206H with a cast 151 grn HP bullet in my .308 velocity is around 1800fps depending on barrel length.

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what kind of accuracy are you getting with this load at 100yds . . . could be just what i'm looking for

cheers R

I haven't done a lot of load development on them but 10 shot groups are around 1.3" a friend uses AR2208 with much the same results.

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Originally Posted by Shearer

Better clarify my own post here.
I could get it (trail boss and 55gn BTs) subsonic but it was not accurate. (2" at 50m)

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@Shearer how many grains of trail boss for 55gn projectile? just mucking around this evening, had 75gr amax that wont group so started again with 50 24.5, 25 and 35,5 2206h just bout to play with subsonic 223 and trail boss but no idea where to start

Sorry @223nut. Not in a position to get to my reloading data at the moment. Will look when I can.

all good, went down to the range with the t3 and got a load sorted but forgot to boresight the rifle i plan on using the subs in so going to have to be another trip, happy with the 17hmr though, 0.8 inch at 100m