Im a happy user. Ive done some tests with them over the years and i still prefer them as a good general all round primer. in terms of the flame there was no difference between the old silver ones and the new bronze ones. There was a crook batch of Win LR primers about 10 years ago which were gas cutting one of my omark bolt faces. I still have a box somewhere. Primers are very much a personal thing and if you find a good brand stick with them.
I've also had no issues with the Muron russian primers and found the flash on these to be similar to winchester
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