yes you hua....you talked me into it and now I just cant go past them LMFAO....the 180grn hornady round nose are VERY soft and expand well.the bog std winchester 180 power points are the ducks nuts for bush load if you want factory...I only went with the hornady as couldnt get the others as component... shot 70lb boar through head into neck/shoulder and retrieved projectile 111grns as said they are SOFT...SOFT =GOOD.
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