Black Powder Casting.

I just came across these lead Ingots on TM. $23.00. Description - 3 Lead Ingots 11/12 BHN.
Each weigh 920 grams average, Total weight 2.76 kg, 11-12 BHN, Size 80mm x 50mm x 25mm each on average
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Would be interested to no from others more knowledgeable in casting Muzzleloading balls, if these Ingots would be ok and approx how many could be cast from this quantity of lead. Would it be cost affective. Obviously for a box of 100 Hornady 50cal lead balls being arround $38.00. + $12.00 Shipping, so $50.00. Hmmmmmmmmmmm

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You gotta factor in the hobby/fun aspect of casting though!!

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Originally Posted by 40mm

You gotta factor in the hobby/fun aspect of casting though!!

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Oh I totally Agree, (40mm). Absolutely just, curious to no how many balls do folks think could be cast. Lol, I suppose one could just do the math but where's the fun in posting that. Trying to create muzzleloading dialogue lol.

For round ball/muzzleloader ideally you want pure lead. Those would be good for casting bullets for cartridge either BP or Smokeless.

I buy lead scrap from the metal recyclers for $2/kg. I use it straight after metling it down and making ingots for muzzleloaders in both round ball and Lee REAL bullets.
I have also been using it straight in black powder 45-70 and haven't noticed any lead fouling or issues in casting.

Have a look at :
https://blackpowderguide.com/round-b...er-pound-lead/

For round ball you want old Plumbers or roofing lead. Scrap metal merchant or Re-roofing business. If you can scratch it with your finger nail it should be ok for Round ball and Minie Balls. That all said I shoot any lead as round ball, Wheel weights- Lead head nails.

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Originally Posted by BSA

For round ball/muzzleloader ideally you want pure lead. Those would be good for casting bullets for cartridge either BP or Smokeless.

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Thanks BSA, So these would be no good for casting balls.

87 per kg at 178gr per 50cal ball. Those ingots will be too hard you just want soft roofing lead.

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Originally Posted by Tasbay

For round ball you want old Plumbers or roofing lead. Scrap metal merchant or Re-roofing business. If you can scratch it with your finger nail it should be ok for Round ball and Minie Balls. That all said I shoot any lead as round ball, Wheel weights- Lead head nails.

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Thanks Tasbay. I'm a little Confused, as you said you would shoot any lead as a round ball. Are u in agreement with (BSA) in that the lead as pictured would not be ok to cast as balls, or that it's not an ideal lead to use but it could still be used. What damage if any would it cause or is it more a matter of causing fowling in the rifling or being to hard to utilize the rifling or both.

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Originally Posted by NZ32

87 per kg at 178gr per 50cal ball. Those ingots will be too hard you just want soft roofing lead.

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That just answered my question I just posted. Thanks NZ32.

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Originally Posted by Skeet

I just came across these lead Ingots on TM. $23.00. Description - 3 Lead Ingots 11/12 BHN.
Each weigh 920 grams average, Total weight 2.76 kg, 11-12 BHN, Size 80mm x 50mm x 25mm each on average
Clean & Fluxed

Would be interested to no from others more knowledgeable in casting Muzzleloading balls, if these Ingots would be ok and approx how many could be cast from this quantity of lead.

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The BHN in the listing is Brinnell Hardness. Pure Lead is 5.00 so he has alloyed these ingots/
920 grams would give approximately 172 38 cal, 102 45 cal, 50 58 cal.
As pointed out, you need pure lead for your application.
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Thanks BSA, So these would be no good for casting balls.

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Personally I wouldn't. Pure lead for round ball, 12-16 BHN for my Pistol bullets and for my BP Cartridge Rifles (45-70 & 38-55) I opt for 20:1 Lead/Tin mix but that's not a hard & fast rule, just what gives me my best results. Scour the 2nd hand shops for Pewter mugs etc for the Tin component. I'm not fussed with Antimony but if using Linotype it will be in it, also beware of Zinc in Wheel-weights. Hope this doesn't confuse you. Casting your own is very addictive. Enjoy, have fun and don't be shy experimenting.

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Originally Posted by BSA

Personally I wouldn't. Pure lead for round ball, 12-16 BHN for my Pistol bullets and for my BP Cartridge Rifles (45-70 & 38-55) I opt for 20:1 Lead/Tin mix but that's not a hard & fast rule, just what gives me my best results. Scour the 2nd hand shops for Pewter mugs etc for the Tin component. I'm not fussed with Antimony but if using Linotype it will be in it, also beware of Zinc in Wheel-weights. Hope this doesn't confuse you. Casting your own is very addictive. Enjoy, have fun and don't be shy experimenting.

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Fantastic thanks very much.

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Originally Posted by zimmer

The BHN in the listing is Brinnell Hardness. Pure Lead is 5.00 so he has alloyed these ingots/
920 grams would give approximately 172 38 cal, 102 45 cal, 50 58 cal.
As pointed out, you need pure lead for your application.
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Thanks for that. Makes sense.

question for the black powder gurus, I have just bought a euro arms of America cal.45, it didn't come with any molds or info as it was from a deceased estate. my question is dose anyone have any knowledge of these rifles and what projectile works well? the end goal is to shoot a deer with it

all I can find on this rifle after a hr on the google is the AB mark on it means it was built in 1976

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question for the black powder gurus, I have just bought a euro arms of America cal.45, it didn't come with any molds or info as it was from a deceased estate. my question is dose anyone have any knowledge of these rifles and what projectile works well? the end goal is to shoot a deer with it

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Work out the twist with a tightly patched cleaning rod
Push it right in
Pull out a little Mark the rod with a vivid line at the top and against the muzzle
Pull out until the line is back at the top
Make another Mark and measure between them
If it's slow twist make the first Mark on the bottom at the muzzle and stop when it's at the top
Measure and double because you've only done a half turn

Then come back and we can help

ok, shopping tomorrow for cleaning equipment. turns out everything I have is to small. the muzzle looks huge I assume its not a standard .45 brush? looks closer to a 410 shotgun