I don't understand the concept/ how to use etc , could some one school me on these please.
Are they better than standard, better than a lee Collect neck die?
Thanks.
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I don't understand the concept/ how to use etc , could some one school me on these please.
Are they better than standard, better than a lee Collect neck die?
Thanks.
Dunno if they're better than anything else but they are basically a normal shoulder bump die that allow you to size the neck to a specific size via various sized bushings.
Which in turn is neck tension on a specific projectile.
The die will not touch the neck without a bushing in it, just bump the shoulder if setup to do so.
Your normal full length die will size the neck the same on every brass projectile combo.
I use them and like them. Really good for reducing ES of certain combos.
But I have had just as good of results with normal dies.
Never used a collet die.
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Cheers.I guess what I'm not understanding is why there is a need to size the neck to a specific size instead of just a standard resize?
and how do you know that you want a specific size?
Run out etc maybe?
Theory is to seat a projectile and measure the neck.Quote:
Originally Posted by jakewire
Whatever that measurement is get a bushing that will size the neck 2 thou less.
For example my 260 is .294 with projectile seated. So a 292 will theoretically give me 2 thou tension for that specific brass projectile combo.
I use 4 thou on one cartridge and still get excellent ES
As I said normal dies can be perfect.
For hunting ammo used within normal ranges I wouldn't bother with bushing dies.
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and if you neck turn, you need the ability to alter the dia of the part of the die that sizes the neck, as a standard FL die often wont be able to size a piece of neck turned brass enough to get enough neck tension.
Fuck Sake, just when after 10 yrs I thought I had this reloading shit sorted.
Damn.:)
Thanks though.
We should all still be learning mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by jakewire
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Just to fuck with your head a bit more standard dies size the neck to much over working the brass,Quote:
Originally Posted by jakewire
also the expander button can stretch the neck out of square, Redding S dies give you the option of using the button or not
A bit more shit to sort, I shoot mainly cast lead bullets and use a Lyman M die to expand my case necks it pushes down so does not
stretch the case neck I use it when loading jacketed bullets as well none of my full length dies have expander buttons,
You can load perfectly good match grade ammo with standard die sets all the fancy gear may make it more consistent and a bit easier
to assemble your ammo but is it worth the money
I'm the same as @R93 on my 260 but I don't use the internal expander button, for the reasons shooternz mentions. Not using the expander also saves having to do inside neck lube. For hunting and plinking loads, a collet die will give the same results.
I haven't used an expander button on any rifle loads for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathias
Maybe once in a while on a dented neck I think I can salvage.
That's another reason I like redding dies as they have a cap for the decapping pin that will not touch the sides as in my pick above.
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Ahuh, I thought that capping pin retainer looked larger as in a resizer button :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
Sorry mate, you're right. I just checked. Has the button on it. Haven't loaded any 260 for ages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathias
Now I can't find my friggen knurled cap[emoji1785]
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@jakewire Redding do two types of bushing dies, a plain neck one or a full length one which allows you to bump the shoulder back, which you will eventually need to do if just using the neck one (back thru a normal full length die or a body die) the advantage of the neck one for me is it speeds the reloading process up, a lot less faffing around prepping & cleaning brass!
If you really want to have sleepless nights, get a concentricity gauge :D :D
No don't useless thing makes you wonder where the hell you went wrong
Get a forster bonanza press, redding dies and you shouldn't ever have a concerntricity issue if using good brass to start with.
Die floats, case floats in case holder.
Only time I ever had an issue was with a bad die after annealing.
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Yes have been looking at body dies,was thinking Redding Comp Seater, body die and lee collet neck die, though has an email from Lee overnight , they would have to make one as it's not a standard product and would require two fired cases and a bullet so that 3 way combo probably is out for me as when I'm finished my amax I'll have to move o another bullet anyway.
130 gr Sirocco. I didn't shoot a heap of animals with my 6.5-06 but the Sirocco performed at all ranges for me especially up close.Quote:
Originally Posted by jakewire
If the damn things would shoot in my Ackley I would be using them now.
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Its such a PITA that Redding don't make as standard a Full length bushing die set...
You have to by a FL bushing die & seater die separately....
Goodness knows how many guys I've seen with bushing dies using multiple bushes getting cranky because not much is changing...... when they are still using the expander.....
Yes they do any Cartridge they make Comp and S dies for you can get as a single die or a complete set,Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg
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They only make the FL comp seater sets...I would like a FL bushing die & standard seaterQuote:
Originally Posted by shooternz
I hate comp seaters with a passion would rather use a bog standard seater...Micro seater is where its at :)
I like neck bushing dies for a couple of good reasons, first one is you are only working the neck of the brass as much, or as little, as is needed, no pulling your brass back over the expander plug on the decapper if you don't want to, I found that pulling the neck of your cases back over the expander was one of the biggest causes of stretching your brass. neck tension if adjustable by using a different bush, and as I do a fair bit of wild catting cartridges, the one die can be used for many different calibers on the one case if you want to, for example, I use a 222Rem Redding neck bushing die to size the necks on four different calibers, 17/222, 20/222, 222 and 250 Myra, all with just the change of one bush, a very cheap option.
Like Kamel I use FL Bushing dies to form & load multiple calibers.
I use a 204Ruger FL bushing die to load 22-204, 6mm-204 and 25-204 I have swapped out the spindle as the 204 is to small for the 224, 243, 257 tapered expander balls. I did have to open the top of the die at the junction of the shoulder and neck to allow the larger sized necks through.
Same with my 223 FL bushing die, I form and size 20 Practical, 223, and 6mmx45 with it. No need to change the spindle as it is large enough for all the expander balls.
For seaters I use the Hornady seaters with the sliding sleeve in the appropriate size as they are pretty much universal for case size . I can seat 25-204, 250-3000, 257 Roberts with the same seater. Same with the 222 Rem/ 223 will seat 22-204, 5.6x50R Mag and 22-250.
Why not go to a Whidden set? they do F/L or Neck ...you choose and same bushing as Redding / wilsonQuote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg
And the micro seater has nice BIG numbers:thumbsup:
Just to mess you about some more.
In 6.5 Cm and 260 Rem I use bushing dies and get good results out to 600 yds ( 1/2 MOA on a good day ) Neck turned bladdy blah everything done that I can do.
In a 308 TR with standard dies I still get 1/2 MOA out to 600yds and basic case prep ( clean pocket, clean case, shoulder bump ( with the expander in) and load.
I have just gone to collet die and will get a proper bump die when they need pushing back. (Havent shot any yet)
I think for the out lay you are on the right track with getting the collet die etc. With the bushing or the collet its all about understanding the neck tension you put on the projectile.
Just re read your post and see that you have to send the cases away etc ..... so that will probably negate the Lee die as a price competitive option:)
Actually they weren't bad John, happy to pay what they wanted, they insist on a set though not just the Collet.
Even so the main issue is actually getting two fired cases to give them as the last time I saw the Barrel [a week ago] it was still unattached to the rifle.:(