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Considering a 7mm bushpig. Playing around on Quickload suggest that the 284 doesn't really provide a significant edge over the 7mm08. Being theory, any real world data to support this? Also, do opt for heavier bullets or lighter bullets. I have a few 175gr Eld X?
What length barrel are you considering and what ranges are you going to want it to cover for you
Was thinking of a 16-20" barrel with over barrel can. Would like to push it to 500m if comfortable.
It depends on the application? If it’s making it’s way to the tops, much like vehicles there’s no replacement for displacement. Yeah you might loose more velocity with a rem mag etc but you have more to lose in the first place. You can always download it if you’re that way inclined
If it’s just a choice between 7mm08 and 284 I’d go 284 all day. Especially in a long action
An 18" 708 loaded warm with 162eldx/m will more than cover 0-500m. Had a 284 but not worth it in my eyes. If you wanna spice it up go a 20" rem mag with those 175eldx
Based on my real world experience of several 7mm08 and 284’s, the 284 is going to get you close to 150 - 200 fps more for same bbl length. If you want to shoot to 400 - 500 yds, then both will do the job. If you want to option to go to 700-800 or more then it’s 284. Really comes down to what your hunting needs are and whether you want the option of longer range performance. Personally I’d take the 284 every time
What chainsaw said is on the money. It also depends. 16" is very different to 20". If you genuinely want a "bushpig" meaning very short handy bush rifle that doesn't stretch the legs then yes no point in going 284. But if you are wanting a rifle that "does it all" IE "superpig" then yup you get more from the 284.
I had a 708, changed to 284 and happy I did if that helps
I’ve got a 16inch .284 does everything I need out to 400m shooting the 150g eld-x or 150g game kings. Great to carry around the bush and if I had the need could spend some more time and stretch it’s legs a bit more. Really have to weigh up where your going to do most of your hunting. Biggest tip would be make sure you get the chamber reamed out to suit the pill your looking at using you really need a decent COAL to get the most out of it.
I've got both 7mm08 and 284 18inch bushpigs.
Both tikkas and run 162gr pills.
The 7mm08 has been my goto hunting rifle for several years, the 284 until very recently has been left in the safe.
I've taken goats and fallow at distances from 10 meters out to 600 meters with the 7mm08.
Now with close to 4k rounds doen the tube, it's getting revarreked and restocked into a fire for field shoots.
I might start using the 284 abit more, but it nowhere as efficient at the 7mm08.
My 7mm08 has a 16inch barrel and kills well out to about 250m could probably push it further but never had to.
So there we have it folks. Absolutely no conclusive answer to the question. :)
My 2c is true bushpig ~16" barrel is intended for <200m shots. 7mm08 best
Do it all 0-500m better with 19-20" barrel the 7mm08 can do it or 284 will do it with ease
We have a saying when doing dems in the military that is applicable here, more is more...
If you handload and it’s your only rifle go 18-20in in 284
18-20 is not a bush pig imo, 16 or less
Just need a 308 at 16 to get out to 500Quote:
Originally Posted by Pushover
I agree. I think OP was talking about 7mmQuote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
Thanks. A 308 will get the job done, no question, but a 7mm seems to more optimised for the 140-160gr bullets?
Being a bush rifle, I would prefer going with a heavier bullet and as mentioned have some 175gr EldM. What bullet would you guys recommend?
Anyone with some load data/velocity/accuracy and barrel length that they will be willing to share in a short barrel 7mm? Any other suitable 7mm rounds worth considering? 7x64 ( can get Lapua brass)?
Shortest barrel that you would recommend in a 284?
7x57mm and something made by speer with big fat flat or round nose with lots of exposed lead.....keep some fancy pants sleak jobbies handy if long shot presents itself....but for true bush work..slightly slower big fatties are the ducks nuts. WHY I use 170grn speers in the mighty 270 win for bush work.
Ive got good simple 140grn loads that take care of the 300-400 yard shots (few n far between) I personally believe a lot of folks over complicate things and make life harder than needed.a good rifle fits shooter like a glove and comes up well in a hurry..calibre is pretty much redundant if you can place shot where its needed at 50 yards in a hurry,anything from .223 upwards will do bizo with chest shot on all bar big riled up stag....
you could load your 7mm 08 with above projectiles and be a happy camper...sure as God made little green apples if heaven forbid you were away for a weeks hunting and left amunition at home,the chances of picking up ammunition at local store are higher for 7mm-08 than the 284...
Thats a very good point especially when discussing what are really baby steps difference in theoretical performance.
Ready availability of ammunition when travelling goes to the top of the list even if you are a reloader. People have been known to leave ammunition behind or have it "stolen" by airlines.
20inch 300 wsm
But if you must then 7mm wsm
178s in the 30cal
Not sure about the 7mm proj
Plenty of grunt, short enough for bush
1 rifle for all jobs
@Smiddy, been considering the short mags, especially a 7mm WSM or similar but finding one to buy is a little challenging.
ok so will approach this from a different angle.....
why do you feel need for bigger than 7mm-08?????
what advantage are you thinking you will get by going wsm or the likes????
do you already have action lined up for custom build or are you going to buy off shelf?????
if going custom route,does your smithy have the gear to chamber in your wanted cartridge????
being a bush hobbit myself....if $$$$ wasnt issue and could purchase whatever I so desired..a bakail SXS in dirty 06 would just about have to be perfect all rounder and for dedicated bush work same in .45/70 would be unbeatable...... which ever barrel is most accurate gets a sleak slipperyish load made up for it for the odd longer shot (both cartridges capable out as far as you want to go if you can get the drop right,remember it wasnt until .50BMG was used that the 45 cal got knocked of for longest confirmed military kill) other barrel fed something big n soft and doesnt have to be knock you into next week fast either....
the 308 case necked up to the fat winchester round...357 think its called would be awesome contender aswell...they were made in the BLR at one stage....mate had one in rem mod 7 too.
you got to think about what end use is going to be and work out what you NEED projectile to be doing and go from there...... no point in spending huge amount of dollars and making barrel burner if the extra is just going to be wasted...like taking a ferrari testicleroaster down to new world to pick up the weekly groceries for family of five......
18-20” 284
@Longbow my 284 had a 17” barrel. It shot the 162 ELD-M as fast as 2750fps with Rel 17 although I settled on a load with 2209 at 2600fps. Run the numbers on that and you will be very happy for such a short rifle. It was a deadly killer. Many sika and reds died from 20 - 550metres. I’ve since sold it but would have another in a heartbeat.
Would 175gr eld in 7mm need a faster twist than some factory barrels?
Might get cramped for space in a short action 708.
I'd do 120gr to 150gr in 708 myself. Better trajectory and plenty punch on deer.
162eldm @2750 in long action .284 would be potent.
I had good success with 140gr eldm at same moderate pace in .260
Yea mate that’s why I went with the 300, never looked backQuote:
Originally Posted by Longbow
Loving my 17" 7mm08, shooting 120gr ttsx at 2970fps, has been veridied on steel out to 685yds( more than what i want to shoot with it) and taken animals out to 210 so far, intended for close up stuff with the option to go wide if need be
Was single feeding 162eldx in a short 708 with 2206h and getting 2680. If it had a LA mag and bolt stop would have been able to mag feed.
@Longbow
I have one of each.
A bushpig model 7 7mm08. Pushes the 160gr TMK at 2430fps from a 16inch barrel. 40.0 gr 2208
Crunch the numbers on that.
Then I have a 284win rem 700. Running the 160gr TMK at 2830fps from a 20" barrel. 56.2gr Superformance.
Crunch the numbers on both. I use my 284 as a all round tops rifle and my 7mm08 as a bushpig go through tight bush rifle.
The 160gr TMK works well out of either rifle from 50y to 300y
I also run a general purpose 308 with the 168gr TMK doing 2680fps from a 20" barrel. Burning 44.5gr 2208.
I hope I've provided you with more clarity to you're query mate ��