Thread: Cartridge ID

I don't know if this is the place for this enquiry but with the absence of a collectors corner section I thought I'd try here.
These are a couple of cartridges that have me baffled as to the identity. The first I thought might be 6.5 Arisaka but some of the dimensions don't seem to match.

The second I thought might be 7x57 but that also doesn't seem to match.....any ideas?


I've been using ""Cartridges of the world""...16thEd to try to ID but still can't put my finger on the IDs... It must be my old age or something.
Phil.