Cast Lead Thread ?

[Moa Hunter]

I'm surprised, I don't use alox rather beeswax lard mix but have fired 25 straight without aparrent loss of accuracy. Got the same result with some if Robs 250 grain flat base bullets with his trademark red lube. Speed is a shade over 1450 fps. Maybe a greased card wad to protect the base may help

Is your lube sticky / tacky on the bullets or more like the waxy stuff on 22 ammo ?

[shooternz]

Is your lube sticky / tacky on the bullets or more like the waxy stuff on 22 ammo ?

Hi Moa, The lube is quite hard, when I first started selling bullets I used Lyman's Alox based standard lube and then the Orange one
but the bullets would stick together when shipped to customers in the summer,
The Lube I use now is much harder and the bullets rarely stick to each other even in hot weather
Only problem is that it has to be at about 42 degrees C to go through the Lube Sizer
Pan lubing may work but I have not tried that.

[Marty Henry]

Is your lube sticky / tacky on the bullets or more like the waxy stuff on 22 ammo ?

The mix 3 beeswax 1 lard is good to handle it's slightly more tacky but much easier to apply and appears to be more slippery than straight beeswax. I pan lube and cut out when cold using a flared cut off case.

[akaroa1]

The mix 3 beeswax 1 lard is good to handle it's slightly more tacky but much easier to apply and appears to be more slippery than straight beeswax. I pan lube and cut out when cold using a flared cut off case.

This with smokeless or BP ?

[akaroa1]

Saeco #311 mould arrived so I just had to cast a few
Very nice mould
And once up to heat it turns out a very nice bullet with care

Not so much a bore rider but a tapered shoulder
Truncated cone nose

Will learn to powder coat in these ones
And have to make a gas check seating die now for the lube sizer

[Marty Henry]

This with smokeless or BP ?

Both, im an equal opportunities employer😁 The idea of powder coating intrigues me but I've never had any coated projectiles to play with. Fundamentally it seems to me that it shouldn't work, it's a coat of paint over the bullet if that paint contained Teflon maybe but then how do you get it to stick? Obviously I'm missing something because enough people do use it successfully and make wonderfully colourful bullets. Mine are just plain silver grey but smell a little like bbq especially the mine where I fill the cavity.

[akaroa1]

I love my lipstick 45-70s
They do work and the store brought ones are done for the 1885 45-70 because at full noise I'm unlikely to fire big numbers

But I'm looking at coating the 30-30 bullets because more likely to be higher volume use

And now that I have measured the cast bullets ( and having read a bit on line ) I find that this bullet can be sized down for use in 30 cal and basically left as is with just a light crimp on the gas check for use in the 303
So having a different powder coat colour for each would be nice

[T.FOYE]

Both, im an equal opportunities employer�� The idea of powder coating intrigues me but I've never had any coated projectiles to play with. Fundamentally it seems to me that it shouldn't work, it's a coat of paint over the bullet if that paint contained Teflon maybe but then how do you get it to stick? Obviously I'm missing something because enough people do use it successfully and make wonderfully colourful bullets. Mine are just plain silver grey but smell a little like bbq especially the mine where I fill the cavity.

That pc stuff is unbelievably sticky. First bullets
I baked I didn't use a silicone surface. Brand new Teflon pan ruined by two bullets that ripped the lining off.

I've even recoated hi-tech bullets and it sticks fine

[akaroa1]

Yes powder coat is not just paint
Very tough

I melted down a few of the powder coated black widows with some other old bullets and the red powder coat empty skins floated to the top of the pot
They didn't burn
They mostly stayed intact
So that explains why the can cope with all that pressure and friction

[akaroa1]

.309 and .311 PC gas check cast bullets

[T.FOYE]

I found the checks too tricky to seat afterwards so I just stick em on at initial sizing. I do dust the pc off with a bit of paper towel as I want the bases as flat as possible. Doesn't look totally perfect but they fly well and true

[Jhon]

I found the checks too tricky to seat afterwards so I just stick em on at initial sizing. I do dust the pc off with a bit of paper towel as I want the bases as flat as possible. Doesn't look totally perfect but they fly well and true

Why do both? GC and PC?

[shooternz]

Why do both? GC and PC?

The Gas Check reinforces the base when using high velocity loads also there is an improvement in accuracy when gas checking a bullet
lhat is designed for them, and the bullets can be made from softer lead for expansion, Powder coating is modern Paper Patching.

[Marty Henry]

Powder coating is modern Paper Patching.

Thanks @shooternz At last I understand powder coating and how it works.I'm now going to give up the fiddling with cut bits of paper for that goes on for a few guns.

[akaroa1]

Thanks @shooternz At last I understand powder coating and how it works.I'm now going to give up the fiddling with cut bits of paper for that goes on for a few guns.

@Marty Henry do you want me to send you some .309 and/ or .311 to try ?

Guaranteed not to wreck your barrels
I have just found a load that my 500 3" BPE is happy with. 450 grain PC bullets 3 shots going into a raged single hole at 50m