Thread: Downloading 223 for hunting goats

Originally Posted by woods223

Have posted this previously on thread "Reloading 223R to low velocity". May be of interest.
Not quite the velocity you're looking for but found the following with Trail Boss, CCI primers, 55gr V-Max. Howa 1500/ 16" barrel, Sonic 45 suppressor.
8.5gr TB :1678fps av vel. 204fps ES, 105fps SD. Accuracy so so.
8.0gr TB :1725fps av vel. 56fps ES, 28fps SD. Accurate load.
Using 8.0gr load on goats around sensitive areas successfully.
Have also tried H322/AR2219 15.6gr: 1738fps av vel. 67fps ES, 37fps SD. Works alright but decided to go with TB as had a reasonable amount on hand at the time.

Are you finding the vmax is expanding at those velocities?

Originally Posted by The bomb

There is an equivalent chart for most powders on the ADI website,lots are classed as same powder just different packaging

This chart below is old. Got it from accurateshooter.com originally IIRC.
Those listed are exactly the same. Care needs to be taken with equivalent charts, (and burning rate charts) they only provide approximates which may work OK in some catridges but can be out of wack for others.



Edit: I think IMR 8208 XBR / Bench Mark 8208 is another example.

They seem to be mostly,although i did get a couple that pencilled through yesterday.But I can live with the odd one doing that, out of 14 goats and two small pigs only two minimal expansion isn't bad. I will try some other projectiles shortly,only got about 20 of the vmax loads left Some people don't reckon they work but get the odd unexplained failure with a lot of projectiles.

Hope you can make scense of this, just copied from manual.
ADI Powders Handloaders’ Guide - 9th edition | 2016
ADI Powders Handloaders’ Guide - 8th edition | 2015
MANUFACTURERS
ADI Hodgdon Alliant IMR Winchester Vectan Norma Accurate
Arms Vihtavuori
R-1
AS30N Bullseye N310
AS30N Clays Red Dot AS N2010 NITRO 100
Trail Boss Trail Boss
AP50N HP-38 e3 PB W231 AA 2 N320
AS50N International Green Dot 700X WST AA5
AP70N Universal Unique SR 7625 N330
Herco WSF A1
800X WAP AA7 N340
AP100 SR 4756
HS-6 W540 3N37
HS-7 Blue Dot W571 AA9 N350
Steel Ba 6 N105
2400 SR 4759 N110
AR2205 H4227 / H110 IMR 4227 W296 R-123 AA 1680 N120
AR2207 H4198 Reloader 7 IMR 4198 W680 Tu 2000 N200 N130
Bench Mark1 N133
AR2219 H322 10-X
Bench Mark 2 BENCHMARK IMR 3031 AA 2015
Bench Mark
8208
IMR 8208
XBR
AR2206 BLC(2) Tu 3000 AA 2230
N335 W748 N135
AR2206H H4895 IMR 4895 Tu 5000 AA 2460
AR2208 Varget IMR 4064 AA 2520
IMR 4320 N201
N202 AA 2700 N140 / N540
H380 Reloader 15 N203
AR2209 H414 / H4350 IMR 4350 W760 Tu 7000 N204 AA 4350 N150 / N550
H450 Reloader 19 N205
IMR 4831 WMR AA 3100 N160 / N560
AR2213SC H4831
Reloader 22 IMR 7828 WXR Tu 8000 MRP N165
AR2217 H1000 N170
AR2225 Retumbo Reloader 25 Magpro 24N41
AR2218 H870 /
H50BMG AA 8700 20N29
NOTE:
Table shows only approximate equivalent values within about 5%. Actual burning rates can vary depending on the calibre,
weapon, loading components and practices, as well as from powder lot to lot. As a consequence, it must be understood that
Australian Munitions cannot accept any responsibility for use of this information in any way.
PowDer equivalents

Originally Posted by woods223

They seem to be mostly,although i did get a couple that pencilled through yesterday.But I can live with the odd one doing that, out of 14 goats and two small pigs only two minimal expansion isn't bad. I will try some other projectiles shortly,only got about 20 of the vmax loads left Some people don't reckon they work but get the odd unexplained failure with a lot of projectiles.

Good info cheers.
I am running the 60gr vmax but at high power loads for the opposite reasons.....to extend the 223s effective range of humane killing.

I'm mainly only using this load for shooting around sensitive areas eg. bordering residential areas and near camping ground. Still put in a work order with police for residential areas, avoids having a meeting with AOS.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Good info cheers.
I am running the 60gr vmax but at high power loads for the opposite reasons.....to extend the 223s effective range of humane killing.

I played around with 75gr Amax? a while ago for long range load with so-so results,single loading was a pain in the arse. Havn't persevered with this route. Went back to 62gr SP Barnaul which went good in my Ar and go alright in Howa 1500 but Hornady 55gr SP and 55gr Vmax do the job alright out to around 400 yards if I keep my shit together.

Originally Posted by woods223

I played around with 75gr Amax? a while ago for long range load with so-so results,single loading was a pain in the arse. Havn't persevered with this route. Went back to 62gr SP Barnaul which went good in my Ar and go alright in Howa 1500 but Hornady 55gr SP and 55gr Vmax do the job alright out to around 400 yards if I keep my shit together.

Yea mines a 9 twist so the 75 and 80gr are outa my reach

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Yea mines a 9 twist so the 75 and 80gr are outa my reach

My 9 twist shoots the 77gr belmont black amazing

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Originally Posted by 199p

My 9 twist shoots the 77gr belmont black amazing

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What projectile is in that?

Smk i think

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Yea mines a 9 twist so the 75 and 80gr are outa my reach

Try and get some trial packs from somewhere like Gunworks and have a play, only way to find out if they work. the "experts' aren't always right and rules are made to be tested/broken.

Originally Posted by woods223

I played around with 75gr Amax? a while ago for long range load with so-so results,single loading was a pain in the arse. Havn't persevered with this route. Went back to 62gr SP Barnaul which went good in my Ar and go alright in Howa 1500 but Hornady 55gr SP and 55gr Vmax do the job alright out to around 400 yards if I keep my shit together.

have you tried the 50grn spsx????I used it on wallabies and found it was VERY soft,so awesome terminally...that was about 3000fps eg the 24,5grns 2206h but works as far as I could hit them so should be very ok at slower speeds you looking at...at full speed it made jelly...lots of purple /red jelly...not the best load for retrieving dog tucker but killed very well.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

have you tried the 50grn spsx????I used it on wallabies and found it was VERY soft,so awesome terminally...that was about 3000fps eg the 24,5grns 2206h but works as far as I could hit them so should be very ok at slower speeds you looking at...at full speed it made jelly...lots of purple /red jelly...not the best load for retrieving dog tucker but killed very well.

Have been thinking of trying these or similar. Tried Vmax because I got them cheap, they worked so ran with them both high and low velocity.

Originally Posted by woods223

Have posted this previously on thread "Reloading 223R to low velocity". May be of interest.
Not quite the velocity you're looking for but found the following with Trail Boss, CCI primers, 55gr V-Max. Howa 1500/ 16" barrel, Sonic 45 suppressor.
8.5gr TB :1678fps av vel. 204fps ES, 105fps SD. Accuracy so so.
8.0gr TB :1725fps av vel. 56fps ES, 28fps SD. Accurate load.
Using 8.0gr load on goats around sensitive areas successfully.
Have also tried H322/AR2219 15.6gr: 1738fps av vel. 67fps ES, 37fps SD. Works alright but decided to go with TB as had a reasonable amount on hand at the time.

If anyone's interested, I've tried a few differant projectiles last couple of days. 8gr TB as above.
Today, only fired three shot groups at 50yds. 5'C temp.
55gr Hornady SPSX 1793fps av vel. 49fps ES, 24fps ES 9mm group, shooter error?
Speer 55gr Varmint SP 1769fps av vel. 30fps ES, 15fps SD 5mm group
Sierra Blitz Varmint 1756fps av vel, 58fps ES 30fps SD 4mm group
All these loads were shot using daybag as rest, on ground beside ute. Loads in first post shot at 100 yds.
Yesterday, shot one goat each projectile. All at about 25-30 yds. All expanded well, all high neck shots, substantial wounds. Need to test some more to check reliability but promising. Most importantly, residents approx. 40-50 yards away never heard any shots.
In comparison, 55gr Honady SP @ 2911fps at similar range totally destroys neck,left hanging on by skin.