Factory Rem 180 grn Core lokt ammo in 30-06

Doing some load development for a nice Win controlled feed Mod 70.
Has a 24" barrel.
To get her on paper I used the factory rem ammo as per the title supplied with it.

Surprisingly only needed 2 shots to confirm zero after rifle was sent away for cerakote and needed to have everything reassembled and scope mounted.
All velocity info I can find on the ammo states 2700 +fps.
Over the radar it was 2560 and 2561 for the 2 rnds I fired.

140fps slower than claimed.
The startup load, 3 grains under max for the powder I am using with the 180gr partitions was 2640[emoji16]

I know factory ammo claims are hopeful at best but 140 fps is pretty bad...even on a cold clean barrel. [emoji16]


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If you believe the terminal ballistics website the Remington 270 ammo is meant to be just like that

beat me to it cs.....the remcoreloct has been known to be piss weak before..PARTITIONS!!!!!!!!!MAN after my own heart...that will be awesome load and nothing on Gods green earth is going to walk away from a chest shot of that medicine....if you want cheap alternative shorter range loading,the hornady 180roundnose have served me well in .308....

That Remcorlokt load has legendary status with southern Sambar hunters here and the projectiles have good terminal performance.

When loading the RP cases I have found they weigh 5-8 grains heavier than WW brass and hit pressure a couple grains sooner / lower.

Normal 180 gn load in we brass is 57 of 2209 for 2700 fps.

In my 06, max is 55 of 09 in RP brass.

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That Remcorlokt load has legendary status with southern Sambar hunters here and the projectiles have good terminal performance.

When loading the RP cases I have found they weigh 5-8 grains heavier than WW brass and hit pressure a couple grains sooner / lower.

Normal 180 gn load in we brass is 57 of 2209 for 2700 fps.

In my 06, max is 55 of 09 in RP brass.

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Thanks for the heads up on the rem brass as that is what I have to work with. Not a fan of it, but not my rifle or choice.

Have 2209 to try but I have been given several other powders to try first.
RL 26 would likely go great with the 180s. But wasn't given any and I only have 5.5 lbs left [emoji1787]




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Yeah, Rem ammo is pretty anemic generally.

I've got a nice load in my 06 with 178ELDX and 2209, from memory its about 56.5-57gr and about 2750 fps

Under rated calibre with modern powders and high BC projectiles IMO

I havent fired much factory ammo in the last 35yrs apart from 22 and some pistol, especially over a good chrony/radar.

Always knew factory ammo velocity is rarely as stated but had no idea it could be so off the mark especially in a 24" barrel.
Get heaps of people that come into shop and complain their favorite ammo is out of stock etc. (That isint going to improve anytime soon)
My favorite is how they say the velocities are way more than the manufacturer claims.

Going to get harder to bite my tongue in order to sell them some other brand [emoji1787]

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I’ve found RP .30-06 brass quite uniform in wt. mine is fairly old though.

Contrary to what your thinking I’ve not had much success with powders slower than 09 in this cartridge and slower powders don’t seem to produce great velocity gains over 09. Hence start with 09 I reckon. I’d to a 1 grain ladder from 54 to 57 and go from there. The 178s go well in my old 700 also.

Std hornady fls die works fine with RP .30-06 brass for me.

I use rp in the .222 and Lyman or RCBS dies. No issues encountered.

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Do you find the Remington brass has small flash holes?
I have a heap of it and wondered why I broke a couple of de capping pins.

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havent found it myself.....very easy to run wee drill bit through if you feel the need.

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Do you find the Remington brass has small flash holes?
I have a heap of it and wondered why I broke a couple of de capping pins.

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To be honest I haven't noticed mate.
I use a universal drcapper so maybe I miss it

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The 06 is notoriously under loaded in the factory ammo due to so many old / surplus rifles in the US. I used my Rem Mountain rifle for years in Africa & Australia & shot a lot of Buffalo while living in Arnhem Land & Sambar over hounds in Oz & plains game in Africa for the camp kitchens, running our standard load using 180gn Nosler Partitions & 60gn of Re-22, clocking 2880fps in its 22"barrel.

I settled on this combo because it meant a KISS straight shoulder hold for all practical hunting of those critters Sighted-in 3" high at 100yd & 2"Low at 300,lwas put on to it by some of the most famous Hound Crews using it in the old Remington Pump actionw with barrels docked to 18",it had proven itself for years on big Sambar in the thick stuff.

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The 06 is notoriously under loaded in the factory ammo due to so many old / surplus rifles in the US. I used my Rem Mountain rifle for years in Africa & Australia & shot a lot of Buffalo while living in Arnhem Land & Sambar over hounds in Oz & plains game in Africa for the camp kitchens, running our standard load using 180gn Nosler Partitions & 60gn of Re-22, clocking 2880fps in its 22"barrel.

I settled on this combo because it meant a KISS straight shoulder hold for all practical hunting of those critters Sighted-in 3" high at 100yd & 2"Low at 300,lwas put on to it by some of the most famous Hound Crews using it in the old Remington Pump actionw with barrels docked to 18",it had proven itself for years on big Sambar in the thick stuff.

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Just finished loading a wee ladder up to 60.5gr RL22 starting at 55gr. Noting the Rem brass may achieve my goal earlier but pretty hard to get into trouble with RL22 in an 06 case.
I managed to get 60.5 in without hearing any powder crush so hopefully shoot it tomorrow.

Cheers for the load info. Hope it goes well in this rifle.
This guy is doing his second trip to Africa when he can travel and taking this rifle.


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so you best do some testing on hot norwest day...leaving ammo and rifle out in hot sun...just to be sure its going to be ok overthere...

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so you best do some testing on hot norwest day...leaving ammo and rifle out in hot sun...just to be sure its going to be ok overthere...

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Wash your mouth out fella....its always hot over here[emoji1787][emoji106] But yeah I hear ya.



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so you best do some testing on hot norwest day...leaving ammo and rifle out in hot sun...just to be sure its going to be ok overthere...

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Finalised the load last nite. Accurate and consistent at 2860fps. Had an ES over 6 rnds of 8fps which is pretty cool.

Went up just now as it is a hot day here. Left ammo out in sun for half an hour while I did some other stuff.
Got the rifle hot, firing 3 rnds I didnt have in the sun and they were still at 2860ish fps

Fired 3 rnds that were in the sun and they went 2900-2910fps but no pressure signs and still perfect zero. 50fps jump due to the sun[emoji16]


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Finalised the load last nite. Accurate and consistent at 2860fps. Had an ES over 6 rnds of 8fps which is pretty cool.

Went up just now as it is a hot day here. Left ammo out in sun for half an hour while I did some other stuff.
Got the rifle hot, firing 3 rnds I didnt have in the sun and they were still at 2860ish fps

Fired 3 rnds that were in the sun and they went 2900-2910fps but no pressure signs and still perfect zero. 50fps jump due to the sun[emoji16]


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Great to hear , l should of mentioned our guns sat in dash cradles in the blasting African heat & in the tropics of Australia the same but on quads or laying on the deck of Air Boats , in Arnhem Land & the Kimberley any metal work on the guns would burn your hand to touch,so a proven safe load in hot environments .

How did the load go for accuracy ? you can tell him he can have confidence in it as a proven African Plains Game taker.:thumbsup:

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Great to hear , l should of mentioned our guns sat in dash cradles in the blasting African heat & in the tropics of Australia the same but on quads or laying on the deck of Air Boats , in Arnhem Land & the Kimberley any metal work on the guns would burn your hand to touch,so a proven safe load in hot environments .

How did the load go for accuracy ? you can tell him he can have confidence in it as a proven African Plains Game taker.[emoji106]

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I was criticising him week ago for shooting off an old cushion and rolled up Carpet and expecting to validate his 7 rem mag load. (Which he actually did in fine style)

I forgot my bipod and rear bag so shot off some homemade sandbags I made out of fabric shopping bags I had in the truck. Not ideal but good enough to know it may shoot a little better with my usual setup. A lesser charge shot nearly identical so he should be pretty happy with it. I didnt get the holes lined up perfectly on my app but close enough.[emoji1787] https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...f2120e9e7f.jpg

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The max load of RL 22 for a 180 I have seen in a manual is 62 grains. I think it was a Speer manual. Others max out around 60 grains. Given the reduced volume of Rem cases I reckon your close to max at 60.5.

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The max load of RL 22 for a 180 I have seen in a manual is 62 grains. I think it was a Speer manual. Others max out around 60 grains. Given the reduced volume of Rem cases I reckon your close to max at 60.5.

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Most manuals list max of around 62gr RL22 because that all the case will take without a decent drop tube. Quickload with this rifle and specs also allows 64 gr RL 22 and still within safe pressures. You can't really fit enough RL22 in the case to get in trouble with 180 class projectiles.

Rem brass is soft as shit. I have loaded some his cases 5 times while confirming everything and primer pockets are still snug as.
Fired primers (Not a 100% accurate indication) show the load to safe as well. Very well rounded still. No other indicators of pressure.

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I was criticising him week ago for shooting off an old cushion and rolled up Carpet and expecting to validate his 7 rem mag load. (Which he actually did in fine style)

I forgot my bipod and rear bag so shot off some homemade sandbags I made out of fabric shopping bags I had in the truck. Not ideal but good enough to know it may shoot a little better with my usual setup. A lesser charge shot nearly identical so he should be pretty happy with it. I didnt get the holes lined up perfectly on my app but close enough.[emoji1787] https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...f2120e9e7f.jpg

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Good stuff ,it has shot well in the 4 different rifles l seen punch paper with it ,you may want to mention that sighting we used for that 180grn load as it was a KISS favorite of mine .From my saved info on the reloading Log on my computer Sighting in the 180gn Partition for my KISS shoulder hold out to 300yrds, it works out as 3' high at 100yd makes the 180grner 4"high at 200, then drops 2". at 300 as far as l normally shoot on any game for this load, but it goes on to drop 14" at 400 yards.

Like l say this was a proven/reliable hot environment load & l would get 10 reloads (if l did not lose them in the mean time) out of a case no problems, attesting to mild pressures ,it is also to me a clean burning ,mild kicking & noise maker compared to other similar tried loads.

One of the things l have always loved about this forum is you get see proven in the field loads shared ,not just gunshop, shop counter or key board white hunter hot air .The in the field load info l gathered from this forum lead to me now using a 284W as one of my favorite all round NZ rifles before that l had never even really heard of it.Wish the bloke good luck on his Africa trip for me :thumbsup:

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Good stuff ,it has shot well in the 4 different rifles l seen punch paper with it ,you may want to mention that sighting we used for that 180grn load as it was a KISS favorite of mine .From my saved info on the reloading Log on my computer Sighting in the 180gn Partition for my KISS shoulder hold out to 300yrds, it works out as 3' high at 100yd makes the 180grner 4"high at 200, then drops 2". at 300 as far as l normally shoot on any game for this load, but it goes on to drop 14" at 400 yards.

Like l say this was a proven/reliable hot environment load & l would get 10 reloads (if l did not lose them in the mean time) out of a case no problems, attesting to mild pressures ,it is also to me a clean burning ,mild kicking & noise maker compared to other similar tried loads.

One of the things l have always loved about this forum is you get see proven in the field loads shared ,not just gunshop, shop counter or key board white hunter hot air .The in the field load info l gathered from this forum lead to me now using a 284W as one of my favorite all round NZ rifles before that l had never even really heard of it.Wish the bloke good luck on his Africa trip for me [emoji106]

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He has a VX- 6 With a boon and crocket style reticle in it. I think he will use that where I would normally use a system similar to yours with a standard reticle.

I zero most things 1.5" at 100. Bang on at 200 and 7"- 9" low at 300.
And yeah I dont think the load is an issue as I know someone shooting 200 gr bullets with 62gr of the same powder in different brass but he does OK with it.

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