and lastly your to 400 yard reds load......well if you can poke any of above into the right place they will work,the 150-165s are going to be best bet,but you could always carry some special loads for just that...federal bluebox factory is always pretty darn good accuracy wise,years back we just shot what we had on hand and it did the job if we put projectiles in right place,the animals havent changed. I wouldnt suggest the under 150grn loads for shoulder shooting reds,but slip one in the crease and its night night nursey quick smartly. if you shooting goats you will know what rifle/shooter is capable of hitting and a red hind is much bigger than a yearling goat. if you can cleanly hit goat at 400 you will do same to reds every day of the week.
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