G'day, i'm wondering if anyone has an opinion on whether copper plated hollow points (CCI Velocitors) or solid lead (CCI Standard Velocity) are better for headshooting goats with a .22lr Cheers.
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G'day, i'm wondering if anyone has an opinion on whether copper plated hollow points (CCI Velocitors) or solid lead (CCI Standard Velocity) are better for headshooting goats with a .22lr Cheers.
Hollow points, no question.
If you do a bit of googling there’s a guy who has captured the terminal performance of different .22LR ammo, using a clay like substance to show how the wound cavities open up. The difference between a fast hollow point and a solid was like night and day.
That said I was culling several dozen sheep in the yards recently, crooks lambs, ewes and some really heavy old rams, and I used Standard Velocity with no issues. The difference being I guess that I was maybe 6-7m away and resting on a convenient post, with all the time I needed to make the shot count. If I was in the field I would want a fast hollow point.
One thing to remember is that Standard Velocity will go straight through a goat’s head and out the other side. Always pays to make sure you’ve got a good backstop that isn’t another goat.
the pre-fragmented hollow point are bloody great. one hole going in then the split into 3 pieces . magic on hares
Cheers for the info, i had been advised that hollow points were a waste of time and wouldn't penetrate the skull but from some of the research i've done and what you've said it sounds like the hollow points would be much deadlier, especially at longer ranges. How far do you reckon those velocitors would be deadly on a goat with a headshot? Also how would they go with a lung shot on a goat/yearling?
Cheers
what are you shooting them out of, i'm a big cci fan but veloceters in a 10/22 just dont group
The velocitors loose speed rapidly, they aren't that accurate in some rifles. Personally I wouldn't think about it unless it had proved accurate. I have several semi 22s and none of them shoot it as well as std high veocity. One bolt action shoots it well but it's expensive and I don't see it has any advantage for me. I would only consider it if I had plenty of time to take to take the shot, the conditions were perfect and would consider 75 yds the max.
Your target area is less than 1 1/2 inches and certain angles the horns can act as deflectors.
From behind at the Atlas joint is probably the best presentation.
The bullet follows a "bit of a curve" and with a 50 yd zero its dropped about 4 inches at 100 so you have to be precise with your range and holdovers.
I'm not a fan of body shooting goats with the long rifle it hasn't got not enough grunt, and no ethical shooter would do it.
If you want rimfire consider the 22 wmr or better still get a 223, then you won't have to worry about bullet drop or wallop factor till past 200 yards
Just my 2 c
I use cci std vel solids never had a problem it's all about shot placement
A .22LR isn't a humane killer for a goat sized animal. The margin of error is huge and things can turn ugly really fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by MatiriHunter
I have to agree they’re a bit borderline but with close range careful shots should be OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by outlander
Saw on that topic in Aussie hunting magazine: ‘a larger goat has the same body weight as a leopard, how keen would you be to take on a leopard with a 22?’
Difference being a goat probably wont try and eat you if you require a follow up shot you just have to realize the 22lrs limitations I quite enjoy creeping in as close as you can and waiting for the right shot to present itself mind you it's not that hard with goats
I'm shooting out of a Cz455 target barrel with a gunworks suppressor
Bit late to consider other rifles as i've already blown all my coin on a .22, i've got a 50 pack of velocitors and i'll see how it groups, im going for a hunt next weekend so want to get some ammo sorted before then.
Yeah getting in close on goats is dead easy, i went for a hunt on saturday and we walked straight past a mob of 20 goats about 5 yards away from us and they didnt even look up! Could have poleaxed a couple but we were waiting for pigs and didnt want to queer the place.
For head shooting goats with a .22 rimfire use the solid nosed projectiles
42grn winchester power points work very well in my norincos....the diference in killing power surprised me.
Ive shot litterally hundreds of goats with .22lr it was the old winchester superspeed before powerpoint came along...50 yards is good past that you better be on the money...a scope is huge advantage...
a chest shot will work but the screaming of goat is enough to put you off your dinner...head or neck up close to head is best.
the .223 is far far far better option,boy do I wish Id had one back when we meat hunted goats for pocket money.
Also bear in mind if you are hunting .22 rimfire is not permitted on public land like shotties
Cheers, i'll pick up some standard velocities and see how they go. Is the meat still edible even thought the bullets are led?
Same discussion was had recently about pigs. If you're 100% certain you can put a 22LR round in the right place every time, then go for it. Alternatively, you might not care about maiming an animal which can't be retrieved. In this case, there isn't much point having any discussion at all. I wouldn't put myself in either of those camps.
It's less contaminated than after the lead snowstorm more a cup and core produces having said that who eats pre minced meat?.Quote:
Originally Posted by MatiriHunter
There is an old saying that I think relates back to the good old days of lead bullets and black powder
"You can eat right up to the hole" that's because the bullet doesn't shed little bits of itself as it goes. Velocity was the same as 22 so you are all good.
old acquaintance doing pest board/culling back in the late 70's early 80's. Used Roger 10/22's and kilwell hushpowers on goats. Double tap the neck, move to next goat, repeat. Never had the opportunity to prove the method.
Never shot a lot of goats but majority were with 243 and 357. Only one with the 22.
Velocitor shoot well in both my bolt guns ,not tried them in the 10/22 yet but after using them for hares I wouldn’t hesitate to head shoot a goat out to 50m with them.
Killed cleanly with a .22LR HV hollow point, 60m thereabouts. Not an idle boast, just a reminder that a well placed .22 bullet will do the bizzo on all sorts of things. This pig was shot high in the neck, behind the ear, shattered the C2 vertebrae with the bullet being found in the offside hide.
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I fully respect all the comments about whether the .22LR is adequate for goats - as in the pig example I would only use it if that happened to be the rifle I had in my hands at the time. I wouldn’t plan to use it. But if I was out with the .22 and I came across some easy as goats, I wouldn’t hesitate to shoot them with my very accurate .22. But here’s the rub @MatiriHunter, I wouldn’t ever chest shoot them. Like never even consider it. Head or upper neck only with that cartridge.
I chest shoot goats with subsonic .308 and Robert’s cast lead pills, believe me even with one of those you have to get it spot on or else you’ve got a long runner.
Why? Curious to know why you and I are recommending the opposite here.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmsaum
I've shot a numerous goats and hundreds of sheep with .22lr headshots. Outside 30 meters I dont bother.
Usually use Winchester Powerpoint 40gn.
Best results come from hitting the soft spot between the eye and the ear especially for hard headed animals like Rams, or the back of the head as it will hit the spinal column if it hits a bit low.
That being said I've had it go wrong on enough occaisions to not generally recommend it unless you have to.
One thing to consider is I have found Velocitor to not live up to what the box says by a large margin. I chronied it this weekend gone out of a 16" barrel and got most the same speed as regular old mini mags, as well as wild ES and SD.
So far on larger animals, I have seen that the 40gr Power Point punches above it's weight.
Over the last 44 years I have shot plenty of goats, about a dozen pigs and a handfull of deer with .22 , shot my first deer with one.. Mostly using the old ICI hp's, as well as Winchester Power Points, CCI Mini Mag HP and standard velocity RN solids. Solids are a more reliable round on big old billies and nannies but HP's are fine if thats what you got. The closer the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by MatiriHunter
If you can get a hold of Brad Parkes book "Small Game Hunting in New Zealand" have a read. A lot of info in it.
I shoot them with solids as that's what I've always used and has always worked in my personal experience probably comes from the days of hunting with air rifles and learning shot placementQuote:
Originally Posted by Flyblown
Muzzle velocity/energy is not as interesting as what the bullet retains downrange. Velocitors look good in this table based on manufacturers' published data. Comparing the first three in the line-up sells the virtues of heavier bullets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
Accuracy of course is more important and of the supersonic .22LRs the Velocitor also goes trans/subsonic the furthest out.
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