ive shot deer at 10m with 165gr in my 308 thought the chest small in hole and 50mm exit hole. deer at 300m small in hole and three exit holes.both times deer didnt walk more than 10m .deer at 200m front shoulder. it went throught both shoulders .there where 2 exit holes and the deer just fell over.i love them.the do make a mess of magpies aswall.lol