Thread: The Importance of Using the Right Data

Talk who cares I want victims from bad reloading it's a crock of shit ,what sticky bolt or fucken jaw off doesn't happen urban myth .

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What's the difference between 2213 and 2213sc found a tin of ar2213

Originally Posted by Padox

What's the difference between 2213 and 2213sc found a tin of ar2213

Greetings Padox,
AR2213 is a little faster than AR2213SC/ H4831SC and a little slower than IMR4831. It was manufactured from about 1986 and discontinued about 2000 but the last powder was likely made earlier than that. You will likely struggle to find much data for it and none of it will be recent. There was some data in the ADI November 2000 Handloaders Guide including some that is extra hot to dangerous. Lawn fertilizer perhaps?
Regards Grandpamac.

Originally Posted by grandpamac

Greetings Padox,
AR2213 is a little faster than AR2213SC/ H4831SC and a little slower than IMR4831. It was manufactured from about 1986 and discontinued about 2000 but the last powder was likely made earlier than that. You will likely struggle to find much data for it and none of it will be recent. There was some data in the ADI November 2000 Handloaders Guide including some that is extra hot to dangerous. Lawn fertilizer perhaps?
Regards Grandpamac.

the SC stands for short cut.....it wouldve been more accurate label if had been CS for cut shorter..the logs of powder for want of better term are cut into shorter rings...to continue wood analogy..... it metered better and one particular market??? asked for it so it became the norm.... Ive had old 2213...and have data for it.... new 2213SC AND OLD H4831 and actually some dupont 4831 THANKYOU THANKYOU THANKYOU Grandpamac cause you confirmed what I thought...its just plain ol h4831........before it got the h......I had tested it in loads in poohseventy BEFORE the fatal cockup and it preformed same as my 2213sc and h4831...now before you get all hot under collar....I was confident it was 4831 and to best of my knowledge there is only two types,it looks just like my H4831...strangely enough with 140grn weight in poohseventy either type of powder runs similar charge weight..so I picked start for hotter which was middle ground for other....loads were fine... and still are.

Originally Posted by NRT

Talk who cares I want victims from bad reloading it's a crock of shit ,what sticky bolt or fucken jaw off doesn't happen urban myth .

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i suppose it depends on the firearm.
Mucko and Mickey Duck have both had catastrophic rifle failures from incorrect powder in one case and using a different projectile for the same load data in another 9at least that sounds like the most likely scenario from the online discussion he had with the likes of gundoc).
One was a bunch of powder and gases came out with an ultimately buggered rifle, the other was a complete action failure with the only thing any good left being the barrel. The completely destroyed rifle was an old BSA sporter P17 and had a bolt lug fail so not a modern rifle but obviously still strong enough to stop a bolt coming back.
If it was a modern action with the two small lugs at the front, it may've been a different story. May not have failed and done what happened to MD with a 70's winny M70.
Both had safety glasses on and by the sounds of it Mucko was especially lucky with quite a bit of hot material hitting his face

Originally Posted by NRT

Talk who cares I want victims from bad reloading it's a crock of shit ,what sticky bolt or fucken jaw off doesn't happen urban myth .

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I can show you a sticky bolt...its stuck on my wall with the case still stuck inside the end of it....and it will stay there....scarey experience I can tell you.... Im not sure if you having a bad day or are completely off your meds but man you need to take a long hard look at what you have posted..... and while you looking at urban myth.....drop a 20ga shot shell into your 12ga then put 12ga shell in and shut action.....if that doesnt put screaming shits up you when you consider what would happen if trigger was pulled....you shouldnt be any where near a firearm of any sort....

Originally Posted by NRT

Talk who cares I want victims from bad reloading it's a crock of shit ,what sticky bolt or fucken jaw off doesn't happen urban myth .

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I think this sort of attitude in the in the forum and especially the reloading section is stupid and dangerous. What other misinformation is this user spewing out.
This sort of thing should bring the ban hammer.

Originally Posted by blair993

I think this sort of attitude in the in the forum and especially the reloading section is stupid and dangerous. What other misinformation is this user spewing out.
This sort of thing should bring the ban hammer.

That right Princess

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Originally Posted by NRT

That right Princess

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Well...Yes.... Other wise i wouldn't have said it. Maybe you were just trying to stir the pot a bit but thats not how it came across to me.