Thread: Inaccurate Cartridges

the bren would have been fitted with iron sights was it not???????
my Father still has a trophy in cabinet from his compulersy military service days
Dad and his mate cleaned up the whole battalion between them, his mate was first with the bren and 2nd with rifle and Dad the other way around.....

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

the bren would have been fitted with iron sights was it not???????
my Father still has a trophy in cabinet from his compulersy military service days
Dad and his mate cleaned up the whole battalion between them, his mate was first with the bren and 2nd with rifle and Dad the other way around.....

Yeah it was just off set irons.
But the same fella was a freak and Army shooting team gunner. When we were training for comps I seen him hit a fig 14 (huns head) 6 out of 10rnds with a gpmg at 500yrds.
Couldn't shoot a rifle for shit tho

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Looks like that top photo was taken from where the shot was

Here's a closer look
http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...tml#post633782

Apparently much .22 Mag ammo has shite quality projectiles that will never allow top performance.

Regarding the maggies, I'd be more excited if you'd said they were levelled at 150yds. I shot two this morning with a PCP air rifle at 85 and 87yds resp

Originally Posted by 6x47

Apparently much .22 Mag ammo has shite quality projectiles that will never allow top performance.

Regarding the maggies, I'd be more excited if you'd said they were levelled at 150yds. I shot two this morning with a PCP air rifle at 85 and 87yds resp

Actually taken at 175. Which is around 160 metershttp://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...tml#post633782

Cant say I have seen too many 9mm or 45acp carbines that were super accurate although I guess it goes back to the ammo.

Someone will contradict me

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

Cant say I have seen too many 9mm or 45acp carbines that were super accurate although I guess it goes back to the ammo.

Someone will contradict me

@300CALMAN,

From memory, the Sterling L2A3 9mm SMG (WW2 Patchett SMG derivative) fired from an open bolt. And it was required to be able to hit within a 10 cm circle at 200 metres, obviously in semi-auto mode. That is <2 MOA. This is not super accuracy, but it is superlative accuracy in a 9mm SMG. About as much as anyone should ever hope to get out of the 9x19mm. Someone please correct me.

Originally Posted by Cordite

@300CALMAN,

From memory, the Sterling L2A3 9mm SMG (WW2 Patchett SMG derivative) fired from an open bolt. And it was required to be able to hit within a 10 cm circle at 200 metres, obviously in semi-auto mode. That is <2 MOA. This is not super accuracy, but it is superlative accuracy in a 9mm SMG. About as much as anyone should ever hope to get out of the 9x19mm. Someone please correct me.

Interesting, I thought it was a square foot at 100 yards, I have heard some comments to the effect that some 9mm pistols were considered quite accurate. Like the Luger, unfortunately it was apparently made with tight tolerances and struggled with eastern front conditions.

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

Interesting, I thought it was a square foot at 100 yards, I have heard some comments to the effect that some 9mm pistols were considered quite accurate. Like the Luger, unfortunately it was apparently made with tight tolerances and struggled with eastern front conditions.

@300CALMAN, you are correct of course. Wikipedia states the requirement as "...sufficiently accurate to allow five consecutive shots (fired in semi-automatic mode) to be placed inside a one-foot-square target at a distance of 100 yd (91 m)." Still impressive for an open-bolt firer. Wonder how good an MP5 would do?

Originally Posted by Cordite

@300CALMAN, you are correct of course. Wikipedia states the requirement as "...sufficiently accurate to allow five consecutive shots (fired in semi-automatic mode) to be placed inside a one-foot-square target at a distance of 100 yd (91 m)." Still impressive for an open-bolt firer. Wonder how good an MP5 would do?

The K and baby Ks I played with were very accurate. Especially the SD versions.

The fellas that carried them for their role were scary fast and accurate with them.

Roller locking and fluted chambers iirc.
The L2 sterling smg was a pig of a thing.
I prefered the Aussie version of smg.



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Originally Posted by Cordite

@300CALMAN,

From memory, the Sterling L2A3 9mm SMG (WW2 Patchett SMG derivative) fired from an open bolt. And it was required to be able to hit within a 10 cm circle at 200 metres, obviously in semi-auto mode. That is <2 MOA. This is not super accuracy, but it is superlative accuracy in a 9mm SMG. About as much as anyone should ever hope to get out of the 9x19mm. Someone please correct me.

With pleasure.

The Sterling Patchett Mk5 Silenced SMG (L34A1) was, according to Sterling, even more accurate than the standard Mk4.

The silenced Mk5s had to group a maximum of 2.5 x 2.5 inches at 100 feet and 7.5 x 7.5 inches at 100 yards. With standard ammo.

I really doubt that the standard Mk4 guns would have to group about half that at 200 metres.


Source: The Guns of Dagenham. Lanchester-Patchett-Sterling. By Peter Laidler and David Howroyd. Page 187.

Originally Posted by systolic

With pleasure.
The Sterling Patchett Mk5 Silenced SMG (L34A1) was, according to Sterling, even more accurate than the standard Mk4.
The silenced Mk5s had to group a maximum of 2.5 x 2.5 inches at 100 feet and 7.5 x 7.5 inches at 100 yards. With standard ammo.
I really doubt that the standard Mk4 guns would have to group about half that at 200 metres.
Source: The Guns of Dagenham. Lanchester-Patchett-Sterling. By Peter Laidler and David Howroyd. Page 187.

@systolic, Cheers.

Originally Posted by systolic

With pleasure.

The Sterling Patchett Mk5 Silenced SMG (L34A1) was, according to Sterling, even more accurate than the standard Mk4.

The silenced Mk5s had to group a maximum of 2.5 x 2.5 inches at 100 feet and 7.5 x 7.5 inches at 100 yards. With standard ammo.

I really doubt that the standard Mk4 guns would have to group about half that at 200 metres.


Source: The Guns of Dagenham. Lanchester-Patchett-Sterling. By Peter Laidler and David Howroyd. Page 187.

Yeah thanks @systolic

The G3, sex on a stick!

Originally Posted by Marty Henry

The G3, sex on a stick!

Absolutely. A mate had a low mileage G3 20 years ago & still regrets to this day ever selling it.

The MP5 is sexy too. I've put about 120+ rounds through one on full auto & 3 shot burst, very accurate.