Thread: Keeping the 7mm ahead of the 30 cal?

Originally Posted by Greg Duley

Don,
I expect the 195's will stay tuned as good as any other of the new Bergers etc. I presume they'll be better at this than the old VLD's, but we'll have to wait and see won't we!
Greg

I expect it will be sometime before we see them, especially on this side of the world

By then they may well be obsolete except possibly for a niche market to the LR F class boys & shooters with blinkers on that are extremely reluctant to embrace change.

I say this because of improved muzzle brake designs that make even the biggest 338s etc far more manageable in light weight hunting rifles.

Also the 375 has taken over the higher ground in the LR performance stakes making even the biggest 338 look fairly average.

The bigger bore size means a quantum leap forward in barrel life, especially when coupled with much less powder burnt to achieve better ballistics.

KG,
We'll see some as soon as they are off the presses. She's a global market place these days! We had 300gn Gen II's before most of the yanks had them. You will still be able to build a shootable lighter weight 7mm shooting 195's than a 338 shooting 300's, now matter how good the brake. The angled port etc brake recoil reduction applies to both 7mm and 338 etc. I agree the 338's will be easier, but there'll still be a place for the 195's in some situations, if they work out.
And you're right, the 375's should be the new king for big guns and will have better barrel life. But as usual we are waiting - for bullets, barrels, more testing etc...and in the meantime the proven 338's are still flattening deer and smacking gongs!

Greg

Originally Posted by Greg Duley

KG,
We'll see some as soon as they are off the presses. She's a global market place these days! We had 300gn Gen II's before most of the yanks had them. You will still be able to build a shootable lighter weight 7mm shooting 195's than a 338 shooting 300's, now matter how good the brake. The angled port etc brake recoil reduction applies to both 7mm and 338 etc. I agree the 338's will be easier, but there'll still be a place for the 195's in some situations, if they work out.
And you're right, the 375's should be the new king for big guns and will have better barrel life. But as usual we are waiting - for bullets, barrels, more testing etc...and in the meantime the proven 338's are still flattening deer and smacking gongs!

Greg

Some of us are already shooting the 375s Greg, with great results so far, admitably not on animals yet but that won't be far away.

Already better ballistics than the 338 Cheytac improved, with less powder

Yes the great brakes make a big difference to any calibre.

If my 12 year old daughter can shoot my 338 imp easily then the 7mm Rum I have at the moment would be a non issue now it has a decent brake on it.

The rearward ported brake makes a big difference compared to convential ported brake any radial brake especially in the bigger calibres.


I have been told to be carefull with my brake design as many people are concerned that it will be blatantly plagerised, like another popular kiwi made brake recently

KG,
Looking forward to the results! And it would also be good to have some more readily available quality bullets.
Bring it on!
Greg

KG, sorry missed the bit about brakes at the bottom of your post. What popular NZ brake has been plagiarized? All I've seen are based on various US designs of one sort or another. If you've got something truly new maybe you better try and patent it. Don't know if that's an easy process. We've never bothered with any of our stuff, and always give credit to anyone we borrow, modify ideas off. There's very little truly new around these days, certainly in the way of brakes anyway.
Greg

Greg.
Thats true that not much is truely new & unique.
I chose the best imported brake I could find as my base line & modified to make it even more efficent.
I see that you have gone a similar route with a number of the products you sell.
I did that because I couldn't find a brake here that was what I was looking for as far as recoil reduction, call me soft if you like, but my Edge with an APS PK on it was beating me up.
Also it is getting harder & harder to get firearms parts out of the States through the front door, with most manufacturers not willing to export directly.

Most people in the industry are well aware of the recent radial brake debarcle & I'm sure you are well aware of it as well, news travels very fast in this little country & indeed internationally as well.

As far as the patent thing goes it is to hard to do & not worth persuing unless you are prepared to go to court against the person/company that stole/borrowed your design.

I feel that as I used an idea from another country & modified to suit my needs, that it isn't as bad as say, directly copying a brake from a local manufacturer, that also had previously supplied the product to me.

I know I would be very disappointed if some one copied my brakes but as they will hopefully be fairly cheap, the cost of tooling up for them would hardly be worth it.

I found from my extensive testing that even a seemly insignificant change can result in a major change in performance usually detrimentally.

Even if I sell very few, which seems quite unlikely given the amount of positive feed back I'm recieving, I feel I have achieved my initial goal to produce a brake that will tame the large amount of recoil associated with high speed & BC, heavy weight, LR projectiles in light weight rifles.

Any how what I do know is a great brake will be required for rifles/calibres capable of fully utilising the benefits new 195 when it finally gets here

KG,
Good luck, if you have something new that works I hope your venture goes well for you. Our angled port brakes make our Lunatics pussies to shoot, but will be interested to see what improvement you've been able to make.
I'm still none the wiser about the recent radial brake debacle you talk of, but I have been in the bush recently until yesterday. Maybe you could email me if its too sensitive for a public forum?
Greg

I have been told to be carefull with my brake design as many people are concerned that it will be blatantly plagerised, like another popular kiwi made brake recently [/QUOTE]


Mr Greg Duley have you been stepping on people toes again??

Originally Posted by Terminator

I have been told to be carefull with my brake design as many people are concerned that it will be blatantly plagerised, like another popular kiwi made brake recently

Mr Greg Duley have you been stepping on people toes again??[/QUOTE]

Donald,
Please do enlighten us all on what you are talking about? Have you something to say? You and KG certainly like dropping hints, so don't be shy with it. Post what you're talking about in the public eye so everyone can see what you're on about, then we'll see what the truth actually is!
Greg

Surprise, surprise, nothing from Kiwi Greg and Donald (terminator). Quite prepared to throw innuendo and school yard rumours around but not prepared to back it up when asked to or check the truth behind what they’re insinuating before having a go.

Now that I’ve been home from the bush a couple of days and caught up, here’s the goss for those that have only heard one side of the story, and for those that are wondering what the hell KG is going on about.

Here’s the background. We have made our own non directional brakes for at least 15 years now, as evidenced by many pics in my magazine articles etc over the years. Yes, they were basically copies of the popular at the time in the USA radial and axial ported brakes typified by the Vais type brake, as are many others radial type brakes. Then, about 3 years ago a NZ gunsmith got his local CNC outfit to start making some radial brakes, which were also basically a copy of the Vais type. We got him to make some in our thread sizes for us as it was convenient, due to the numbers we were starting to use. Then he started having problems getting his local CNC outfit to make them when we needed, so we approached a local CNC outfit here in Napier to make some back on our old design in some sizes we were short of, and we now have them making our bigger 90 degree ported directional brakes as well. We are still fitting some of his NZ made brakes, as well as our ones made locally, as well as the angled port Stainless Steel and 7000 series alloy brakes we still make ourselves.

As all brakes are just reinventions of brake ideas that have been around for ages now, it is pretty rich for someone to claim their improved version of someone else’s brake is a completely new idea, whereas others are just blatant copies. That is just laughable! Not that we copied the NZ made brakes anyway as we can clearly show ours are the same as our original ones and we were making them long before he was. As for this BS about legal avenues etc…what a bloody joke! It would get laughed out of court! If anyone has a grievance, it would be the person who originally built the first radial and axial ported brake in the US, and I wouldn’t be surprised to find that wasn’t even George Vais!

No smileys this time, I have done my best to get on with you both and wish you well with your various ventures. You guys need to get a life…
Greg

Oh F%$# here we go again

Originally Posted by Greg Duley

Surprise, surprise, nothing from Kiwi Greg and Donald (terminator). Quite prepared to throw innuendo and school yard rumours around but not prepared to back it up when asked to or check the truth behind what they’re insinuating before having a go.

Now that I’ve been home from the bush a couple of days and caught up, here’s the goss for those that have only heard one side of the story, and for those that are wondering what the hell KG is going on about.

Here’s the background. We have made our own non directional brakes for at least 15 years now, as evidenced by many pics in my magazine articles etc over the years. Yes, they were basically copies of the popular at the time in the USA radial and axial ported brakes typified by the Vais type brake, as are many others radial type brakes. Then, about 3 years ago a NZ gunsmith got his local CNC outfit to start making some radial brakes, which were also basically a copy of the Vais type. We got him to make some in our thread sizes for us as it was convenient, due to the numbers we were starting to use. Then he started having problems getting his local CNC outfit to make them when we needed, so we approached a local CNC outfit here in Napier to make some back on our old design in some sizes we were short of, and we now have them making our bigger 90 degree ported directional brakes as well. We are still fitting some of his NZ made brakes, as well as our ones made locally, as well as the angled port Stainless Steel and 7000 series alloy brakes we still make ourselves.

As all brakes are just reinventions of brake ideas that have been around for ages now, it is pretty rich for someone to claim their improved version of someone else’s brake is a completely new idea, whereas others are just blatant copies. That is just laughable! Not that we copied the NZ made brakes anyway as we can clearly show ours are the same as our original ones and we were making them long before he was. As for this BS about legal avenues etc…what a bloody joke! It would get laughed out of court! If anyone has a grievance, it would be the person who originally built the first radial and axial ported brake in the US, and I wouldn’t be surprised to find that wasn’t even George Vais!

No smileys this time, I have done my best to get on with you both and wish you well with your various ventures. You guys need to get a life…
Greg

Thanks Greg.

Been away shooting Sika & at rocks out to 2380 yards with the 375.

Yep there is more than 2 sides to this story & judging by the emails that have been tearing around cyberspace you know that as well.

PS I said I improved a brake from overseas, it wasn't an APS.

As I have said before this isn't my fight so I am unable to comment any further on it.

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

I expect it will be sometime before we see them, especially on this side of the world

I say this because of improved muzzle brake designs that make even the biggest 338s etc far more manageable in light weight hunting rifles.

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Shameless plug there Gregg

WOW what an awesome swordfight

Originally Posted by kiwijames

WOW what an awesome swordfight

Absolutely hilarious.... take note "GREGS"..