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Have mostly used 162 AMAX or ELDMs in 284 & SAUM up till now. Thinking I might try the 162 ELDX as more of an all round load in my 18in 284. Any experience out there in loads & differences ELDX vs ELDMs ? Probably run a 20 or 30 thou jump. Are the ELDXs likely to hit pressure sooner ?
Have heard the eldx produce pressure sooner than the match version. From an 18” 284 I’d personally stick with the match line
Eld-m is always my first choice
Yes iv found them to hit pressure quiker but their building of pressure/speed faster is a none issue if you work up I prefer the m myself be darn nice if they made a lighter one so I could use it in the 708 . Iv found the x better once’s it’s slowed down abit from mv in magnums so it could be darn good in a short .284 if you drive it at humble speeds
Trying to understand your logic Kelton of a M being preferable at higher magnum velocities?
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The x vary in weight alot more than the m, but I suppose thats to be expected from a match projectile
The X will hit pressure sooner. If you put them side by side with an M you can see how much more surface area they have. When I had my 284 I would hit pressure with the X but was fine at the same load with the M and could go higher.
The 162gr eld-m work find in the tikka7mm08 with a long action bolt stop and magazine. Taken numerous goats and fallow from 10meters out to 600meters with my old oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Kelton
Iv had 162 175 200 and 212 eldx all fail sub 300 at magnum velocity’s yet to have an M fail just my limited experience however with 162 and 180Quote:
Originally Posted by Dicko
What do you mean by fail?
There is something about the 162x.
My experience mirrors Kelton however I was shooting them slow at 2500fps.
Never had a 1 shot kill from 100-400m. I put 3 into a spikers shoulder because he wouldn't drop. All rounds were centre shoulder.
Shot another spiker at 100 that didn't even react, thought I missed then it drt with a second.
Walked over to a hind that ran 10m and seemed to drop only to find her alive and needed to be headshot. That was the final straw to switch to eldm and the results were day and night.
I've never needed a followup with eldms on maybe 20 deer/tahr.
I am puzzled as to why they perform so poorly. The eldx was very very accurate in my rifle and was consistent shooting past 1k so it was a shame.
It could be me, shot placement etc however I have no confidence in them now and a completely different experience after ditching them.
Should have being clearer sorry pencil threw out of 7blaser mag and 300win mag all long barrels moving very quickly they all also contributed to some of my more impressive kills at longer ranges the most memorable being the 175 at 800odd yards big red was like someone had thrown buckets of blood down the hillQuote:
Originally Posted by gimp
Yet I hear worship for a 178 at .308 speeds?
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I find them pretty explosive in the .270 run hard with R26, but any powder would do the same. Lighter game too (fallow).
However my mate has had them 212’s not open on fallow buck from a wsm at range.
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I did try the 178eldx in my old .308 but I didn’t find an accurate load for them so never took an animal id say at .308 speeds it would be a good comboQuote:
Originally Posted by Dicko
Yea I found the same, I’m running 162 eldms out of my Kimber Montana 7m08 and haven’t struggled to take stags out to 500yards. Great lightweight setup for closer distances. Have had to seat them deeper than preferred, but they still group and shoot great.Quote:
Originally Posted by lau lau
42.5g ADI 2208 - Alpha brass
Mines a short action and intended for 400yards absolutely max also only 16” barrelQuote:
Originally Posted by lau lau
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Originally Posted by Stoph R
I accidentally ruined some of my alpha brass loading 162 instead of 150 with my 150 powder charge was a good lesson
I used eldx in a 270wsm and had very ordinary results with them, fragmentation and poor penetration. Now using a 162g eldm out of a 708 with great results. Pretty slow at 2520fps but very accurate with good penetration.
I have the 162g ELDM going 2600 fps from a short 7mm08. How does the 162 ELDM go at roaring-in-stags ranges? Say 10 - 30 metres?
Very good with my experience leaving the barrel at 2950Quote:
Originally Posted by John Duxbury
Interesting, this is the opposite experience of @Kelton above (pencilling through).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mararoa
Really interesting that various large magnums are so ineffective at killing deer with premium hunting bullets
[QUOTE=gimp;1669527]Interesting, this is the opposite experience of @Kelton above (pencilling through).
Really interesting that various large magnums are so ineffective at killing deer with premium hunting bullets[/
Or the premium hunting bullets in some sizes are not as reliable as others had no issues with any of those magnums with Berger bullets or eldm
I wouldn’t think an eldx is premium hunting bullet. More a dog turd wrapped in copper.
I love the ELDM and wasn’t a big fan of ELDX.
Hornady don’t recommend ELDM for hunting and if you want to know the reason, go to the 43:40 mark of the second to latest podcast. They explain why. Mainly around how the tip is connected or lack there of to the internal lead under the jacket.
https://youtu.be/TMgvvrCq9lk?si=3Sblk108Zcs3sYuY
It's kinda funny cosQuote:
Originally Posted by McNotty
1. ELDMs work great, and
2. They sell them as having good terminal performance in their LE ammo https://www.hornadyle.com/rifle-ammu...p-precision#!/
Yea a bit strange really. Maybe they’re worried about failures with their bigger bodied game up close.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
They work beautifully on our game.
Sounds like the ELDX out of magnum cals is less reliable than the ELDM from a .223, maybe they ought to market that combo instead