Thread: Which is louder, a 12 or 410 bore.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

.410 is MUCH quieter....much much quieter .....................the ultimate quietness is a .410 adaptor in .12ga barrel ..................I will look up load data from lyman manual for you if you need it.

I had considered a 410 adapter for a 12 ga but observed that the one example on Trade Me last night was more expensive than a brand new 410 single shot shotgun. :>) and my Laurona is an o/u so I would need two >

I appreciate your offer to check the Lyman Manual, however, as I have an unopened 500 grm of ADI AP 70 N, I do not want to have to use another powder, nor to go to a heavier shot than 8 just for blackbirds / avian pests. . But, if any subsonic 12 ga loads with 8 / 9 shot exist, I would be very grateful if you can pm me.
Thank You.

you WONT need to go heavier shot....a payload is a payload reguardless of shot size...you MAY need to add a little filler like cork/carboard to fill wad height correctly.
will have dig around and find out what I can suss out.the issue with subsonic is those pellets arent going to pack much punch when they hit.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

.....................you MAY need to add a little filler like cork/carboard to fill wad height correctly.
will have dig around and find out what I can suss out.the issue with subsonic is those pellets arent going to pack much punch when they hit.

I'm using these https://tinyurl.com/yb6zccs9 for the Black powder 12 bore and they can be "cut to length", so no problem with filling.

As for "punch", because the targets are these

not these:


and the general distance will be 20, max 30 metres, I don't anticipate a problem >)

Thank you for the offer of the "dig around" re subsonic assistance.

I bought these Falcon Subsonics a couple years ago to use on possums around the house. They are very quiet compared to a regular hunting load.
No longer listed on Falcon's website but have seen Eley Subsonic in an unmentionable chain store.

Target products cowboy action 12 gauge loads would be exactly what you want quiet light and already made.

so....7/8ths is oh just so much betterer than 6/8ths??????? read that again untill it sinks in....... there are a lot of #9s in 6/8ths of an once.

well lets just say Ive shot a shit load of rounds from wee .410s over the years,with the wee gun its all about range n choke. shot column is an interesting one,matters not a hoot on stationary target/2 demention but on flying one if its short and you spot on alll good,if its long and your lead is wrong it MAY actually help you. at 20-30 yards...yeah nah not an issue.

Thanks guys good point on the shot column, being a rifle shooter the shotgun is a whole different science !

I was hoping to use my 8 bore on a few Ducks but I'm told I can't shoot Game Birds with it ?

Have been using a 28g recently around the house a mate lent me as I was talking .410 & it is nice to use .

Interesting thread.

Interesting also there isnt much sound difference between a .410 and 12 gauge. We shot .410s for years in the cheery orchard when I was a kid, never wore ear protection, didnt think they were all that loud. Maybe thats why my ears are constantly buzzing now.

to further confusdicate you sapper.....the term .12ga or .20ga or 4 ga etc etc comes from the number of BORE DIAMETRE balls of pure lead to the lb......so a four guage chucked 1/4POUND of lead every time you pulled the trigger...... and to make matters worserer still.alot of modern .12ga shotguns actually ARENT .12ga as such anymore.....they have closer to 10ga barrels...back bored etc etc are fancy terms to say barrel diameter is larger than standard...and russian barrels are tighter than english.....eg my single bakail reads 1/4 choke all the way down the bore...well it does 3" back from where old muzzle was before Mr Hacksaw took the choke off....the SxS that got sent into backyard gunsmith/engineer got similar treatment except he was suposed to stop taking thin slices off end of barrel when he got back to 1/4 choke...but as he didnt know barrel was tight to begin with he removed all choke and still hadnt got to right diametre he THOUGHT he shold be at....so when someone says a bakail has over full choke...its not....its got same AMOUNT of constriction,but it starts out tighter so ends up tighter/smaller hole in end.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

to further confusdicate you sapper.....the term .12ga or .20ga or 4 ga etc etc comes from the number of BORE DIAMETRE balls of pure lead to the lb......so a four guage chucked 1/4POUND of lead every time you pulled the trigger...... and to make matters worserer still.alot of modern .12ga shotguns actually ARENT .12ga as such anymore.....they have closer to 10ga barrels...back bored etc etc are fancy terms to say barrel diameter is larger than standard...and russian barrels are tighter than english.....eg my single bakail reads 1/4 choke all the way down the bore...well it does 3" back from where old muzzle was before Mr Hacksaw took the choke off....the SxS that got sent into backyard gunsmith/engineer got similar treatment except he was suposed to stop taking thin slices off end of barrel when he got back to 1/4 choke...but as he didnt know barrel was tight to begin with he removed all choke and still hadnt got to right diametre he THOUGHT he shold be at....so when someone says a bakail has over full choke...its not....its got same AMOUNT of constriction,but it starts out tighter so ends up tighter/smaller hole in end.

bird roofies....there is thread on it here somewhere....

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

bird roofies....there is thread on it here somewhere....

Not sure if you are referring to ALPHACHLORALOSE PASTE which puts them to sleep if they eat it or the sticky stuff which discourages them from landing on the branch / building as their feet stick to it. Either one, neither are suitable for my orchard.

https://gunworks.co.nz/shop/item/sup...tgun-sold-out-

Here you go, job done.