Thread: Mil radian for dummies

What's it got over moa?

Thinking of changing

Most scopes seem to be 1/10 adjustments, 1cm at 100m, 10cm at 1000? Correct?

Seems to be quite course adjustments compared to 1/4 moa.

What else do I need to no?

Sell me on mill guys, cheers

Stay with moa,
Why change if it's working for you? I'm going two get shit for saying that

Originally Posted by BRADS

Stay with moa,
Why change if it's working for you? I'm going two get shit for saying that

+1

On the whole it seems like a much simpler approach to be honest.
I grew up working in millimetres cms, metres, kilometres not thousandths, inches yards and to be honest i would prefer working in metric

I don't know if this will help but here's a video talking about how to use it and what it is though you probably already know that.

Understanding Mils (Milliradians) - Long-Range Rifle Shooting Technique - YouTube

A lot of reticles these days are mil based, so makes it slightly easier if your adjustments are mil based.

Having said that, I am comfortable and confident in MOA, so happy to stick with it. I convert wind values to MOA for LR target, so if anything in my particular situation would actually look at a MOA reticle.

And about the "coarseness", do the math...

100m : 1MOA = 29.08mm and 1mil = 100mm
100 yds : 1MOA = 1.047 inch and 1 mil = ~3.6 inch

The difference between 1/4 MOA (7.27mm) and 1/10 mil (10mm) @ 100m is so small that most shooters would not be able to notice

PerazziSC3, on my long range rifle I have a Leupold MK4 scope that is a hybrid with Mil reticle and quarter MOA turret adjustments so I am constantly converting between the two. There are 3.438 MOA to a mil so as the nearest I can dial 3.438 MOA is 14 clicks. I simply convert using 1.4 as the root of my calculation e.g. If a spotter calls point three of a mil elevation adjustment I multiply three times one point four (4.2) and dial up four clicks. Of course the ideal thing is to have a Mil, Mil or MOA, MOA combination on your scope. As to your comment about one tenth of a mil being a course adjustment, the real life difference between a quarter MOA and one tenth of a Mil at one thousand yards is less than one and a half inches and is about 3.4cm. Not exactly Earth shattering unless you are a perfectionist (which I will freely admit to not being).

I certainly wont be getting a moa reticle and mil adjustments or vise versa....

Yep adjustments dont seem that course when you put it like that, definitely a minor consideration

....as above, the main problem not being the one or the other but the need to be constantly converting between the two systems of measurement. The milradian system gives exact decimal multipliers and easy calculations whereas the common 1" at 100yds is an approximation, then 12" to a foot, 3 to the yard, 1760 ....no I've changed my mind; MOA and yards are archaic and should be relegated to history! Why add in a further source of error when you don't need to ? I wish my scopes weren't all MOA, that said I have become an expert at my 7.272-times table

Originally Posted by Puffin

I wish my scopes weren't all MOA

So sell them and buy some new Mil ones.

Mildot master slide rule is another (very inexpensive) solution to the mil reticle / MOA turrets setup.

Allows you to convert between MOA and mil, doubles as a cosine indicator etc.

I use Mils on a compass to navigate but cringe at the thought of using them in a scope. I am just weird I spose.

As far as reticules go it is just aiming off with measurements. I would only ever aim off, for a follow up shot if I could see my own splash or I had a very experienced observer.

Mil adjustment with mil dot reticle. Get half mil dashed if you can. That's the only downside of my sightron. Just adds that extra bit of precision guessing the adjustments when spotting for yourself and others.

Originally Posted by ebf

Mildot master slide rule is another (very inexpensive) solution to the mil reticle / MOA turrets setup.

Allows you to convert between MOA and mil, doubles as a cosine indicator etc.

Slide Rule. Now there is a term I haven't heard in three decades.

Originally Posted by Rushy

Slide Rule. Now there is a term I haven't heard in three decades.

Still works when all the batteries are long dead