Thread: The new cartridge that makes the most sense to me.

Is the 25 creed more.

It's as close to filling a gap as is possible nowadays, and seems to likely be able to create a 25 cal following where the 06 and Roberts haven't. The new projectiles seem to have the high BCs asked for at a sensible hunting weight for NZ conditions.

From my perspective I think its a good idea, and that's recognising that I'm very often critical of many of the new cartridge developments as unnecessary.

As a long time .25 cal shooter, I don’t get excited about .25s anymore apart from the nostalgia a .25 savage in a kurz sporter.

Limited support for the , .25 creedmore in brass, pills, rifles etc. my experience is the 6 and 6.5s offer the same or more depending on the case.

But I’m open to the arguments.


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Originally Posted by whanahuia

Is the 25 creed more.

It's as close to filling a gap as is possible nowadays, and seems to likely be able to create a 25 cal following where the 06 and Roberts haven't. The new projectiles seem to have the high BCs asked for at a sensible hunting weight for NZ conditions.

From my perspective I think its a good idea, and that's recognising that I'm very often critical of many of the new cartridge developments as unnecessary.

So what do you reckon the 25 Creed will be able to do better than either the 6.5 or 6mm Creedmoor?

Yes, a 257 Creedmore would be a very effective hunting caliber especially now that high bc pills are available. But in same vein, why not 25-08? Much of a much.
The wildcat that tweaks my interest is a 30-7PRC. About 70gn powder pushing 180-200 gn pills in an efficient cartridge- it would be an appealing option.

Originally Posted by zeropak

So what do you reckon the 25 Creed will be able to do better than either the 6.5 or 6mm Creedmoor?

I have no idea. That's not what I was saying really. I think I'm on record as saying that anything from 243 too 30/06 will work for NZ general hunting conditions depending on how you choose to use them and what your preferences are.

What I was getting at in relation too your question is that 6mm is well covered by the popular 243 win. There 6.5s have every case and a few bastards inbetween to already choose from.

The 257 is the one that's been lacking in popularity, and if the new cartridge and projectiles can change that then that's good. Definitey makes more sense than yet other 7mm cartridge for sure.

Originally Posted by chainsaw

Yes, a 257 Creedmore would be a very effective hunting caliber especially now that high bc pills are available. But in same vein, why not 25-08? Much of a much.
The wildcat that tweaks my interest is a 30-7PRC. About 70gn powder pushing 180-200 gn pills in an efficient cartridge- it would be an appealing option.

Whims really isn't it. There are actually some very good 25 cal cartridges out there. they just are not popular for some reason- probably lack of projectiles- But if the cal can jump on the bandwagon and make it popular then great! its an actual choice worth having.

Originally Posted by chainsaw

Yes, a 257 Creedmore would be a very effective hunting caliber especially now that high bc pills are available. But in same vein, why not 25-08? Much of a much.
The wildcat that tweaks my interest is a 30-7PRC. About 70gn powder pushing 180-200 gn pills in an efficient cartridge- it would be an appealing option.

The creedmoor case is more effective in a medium action limited to 2.8" coal. More optimal seating position for the projectiles in the case. Less case taper allowing good case capacity for the shorter shoulder length.
The 08 based brass is too long to do this without pushing the projectile right into the case.

Greetings all,
We are a bit late to the party on introducing a 6.35mm Creedmoor. It would be very close to the .250 Savage Improved 30 degree. This was a wildcat from some years back and perhaps an ancestor of the 6.5mm Creedmoor. Nothing wrong with the cartridge but the problem is a continuing supply of the projectiles if demand does not meet expectations. The cartridge market place is very crowded and not all that we have today will survive. Perhaps a pessimistic view or perhaps realistic.
Regards GPM.

Originally Posted by chainsaw

Yes, a 257 Creedmore would be a very effective hunting caliber especially now that high bc pills are available. But in same vein, why not 25-08? Much of a much.
The wildcat that tweaks my interest is a 30-7PRC. About 70gn powder pushing 180-200 gn pills in an efficient cartridge- it would be an appealing option.

I used a 25-08 for a number of years but before all the high BC bullets and modern powders thinking really hard about a 25 creedmore as factory brass is available or a 25 PRC but then I have a 6.5 creedmore so I don't really need one.

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Originally Posted by whanahuia

Whims really isn't it. There are actually some very good 25 cal cartridges out there. they just are not popular for some reason- probably lack of projectiles- But if the cal can jump on the bandwagon and make it popular then great! its an actual choice worth having.

I hunted with a 2506 for a few years, accounted for quite a few reds Nth Is bush hunting out to 250 yds. Lack of high bc pills & more Sth Is alpine hunting meant a move to bigger calibres for me. But a short action 257 cal that can tolerate shorter bbl combined with better projectiles might breath new life into the ol 1/4 bore.

I think Ive told this story before, but will tell it again.

My brother had a hunt in Kyrgyzstan booked and a month out the airline informed him he was allowed to carry a rifle, but not ammunition on the flight. real weird on but a rifle with no ammo is no good.

The outfitter was contacted and he had 15 25/06 Winchester factory ammo in his desk drawer. Mike raced out and bought a 25/06 and the same ammo, and we put it through its paces in a short period of time. It killed everything we shot at really well with 120gr projectiles.

He gets on his hunt and everyone else was 7mm and 30 cal magnums, but that 06 was the only rifle to drop an Ibex on the spot and with one shot.

Sadly the rifle never made it back out of the country.

Originally Posted by Roarless20

The creedmoor case is more effective in a medium action limited to 2.8" coal. More optimal seating position for the projectiles in the case. Less case taper allowing good case capacity for the shorter shoulder length.
The 08 based brass is too long to do this without pushing the projectile right into the case.

Good point. This is what killed the .260 Rem, that and the slow twist. Can be a problem in the 7mm-08 too.
GPM.

Funny thing,my mind was pondering a short reamed .270 just last night. So it could be a .308 case but .270 from shoulder forwards sort of deal... Or run 243 reamer then neck with .270. either use 7mm/08 dies with .277 expander ball or take X xmm off bum of std .270 dies then ream shoulder of them if necessary..why??? Well just because it would be a .277 and not the imposter .284 7mm/08. But the couple of grand to do this just isn't going to be "spare pocket change" any time soon.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

Funny thing,my mind was pondering a short reamed .270 just last night. So it could be a .308 case but .270 from shoulder forwards sort of deal... Or run 243 reamer then neck with .270. either use 7mm/08 dies with .277 expander ball or take X xmm off bum of std .270 dies then ream shoulder of them if necessary..why??? Well just because it would be a .277 and not the imposter .284 7mm/08. But the couple of grand to do this just isn't going to be "spare pocket change" any time soon.

Nice try Micky,
You have more or less reinvented the .270 Titus Savage or more closely the .270 Creedmoor. Developed to allow a .270 cartridge that could be used in a Savage 99 rifle.
GPM.

I've always been of the opinion that the 2506 should have been a 2508.

Eventhough Im a 6mm guy, I can appreciate the 25cal. I've build several 25 Creedmoors to date and if I have to shoot anything other than a 6mm(in competition) it would most probably be a 25 Creedmoor.

Things you should know, its not much faster than the 6.5Creed, but the BC is better.

Barrels can be ordered from Ozark or Trueflite, cases can be ordered from Ozark, or you could just purchase 6.5 cases and neck down. Dies? Just get a set of 6.5CM bushing dies and fit the correct size bushing.

Im currently playing with the idea of building me a light hunting rifle, not a slow twist barrel as Id be happy to shoot 117s or120s.