Thread: No more powder

Hodgdon Powder has announced the discontinuation of their IMR Enduron product line. Those IMR powders are: 4166, 4451, 4955, 7977 and 8133.

Did they say why? 7977 is great in short magnums (Saum WSM)

Nothing on the Hodgdon website, just a Fraud Alert. They are out of stock of most of them.
GPM.

It will be because ADI are concentrating on more popular military and civilian powders, and they make those powders for Hodgdon.

No scam phone call

Originally Posted by nor-west

Did they say why? 7977 is great in short magnums (Saum WSM)

I have plenty of 7977

Originally Posted by 7mmsaum

It will be because ADI are concentrating on more popular military and civilian powders, and they make those powders for Hodgdon.

ADI does not make the Enduron powders.

Originally Posted by grandpamac

Nothing on the Hodgdon website, just a Fraud Alert. They are out of stock of most of them.
GPM.

No, it's true.

Originally Posted by caberslash

No, it's true.Attachment 205141

A post on a Forum proves nothing. Show me the original information from Hodgdons. Still nothing on their website.
GPM.

The Enduron ball powders are preferred by mil ammo producers and it is them that will be sucking up the whole supply. The hobby market is a nothing compared to that.

That's a bummer. I just bought a couple of pots of 4955 to sub out for my dwindling supply of w760 in 6.5s and 270

Greetings All,
I had a quick poke around on the interweb this morning and quickly found plenty of posts on Forums parroting the discontinuance of the Enduron powders. One even forcasted the discontinuance of almost every powder I currently use. From IMR and Hodgdons nothing. IMR did warn of fake web sites offering the Hodgdon/ IMR powders no doubt at much higher prices. Sound familiar? When demand for any product exceeds supply a secondary (or black) market can develop. Once shortages in the market start to ease the scalpers will do anything to maintain their profits and I think that that is what is happening here including the fake websites and fake news on the forums. To me the idea that vast quantities of small arms powder are being sucked up in the Ukraine is not an issue. Even more must have been used in Afganistan and most battles have been fought with artillary and bombs (more recently missiles) since the latter part of WW1 so I don't think the idea holds water.
To me the whole powder shortage is a result of panic buying, aggravated by other events of the last 2 years and the rumours of Enduron discontinuance smells strongly of substances found in pastures recently vacated by gentleman cows. Time will tell.
Regards Grandpamac.

Originally Posted by grandpamac

Greetings All,
I had a quick poke around on the interweb this morning and quickly found plenty of posts on Forums parroting the discontinuance of the Enduron powders. One even forcasted the discontinuance of almost every powder I currently use. From IMR and Hodgdons nothing. IMR did warn of fake web sites offering the Hodgdon/ IMR powders no doubt at much higher prices. Sound familiar? When demand for any product exceeds supply a secondary (or black) market can develop. Once shortages in the market start to ease the scalpers will do anything to maintain their profits and I think that that is what is happening here including the fake websites and fake news on the forums. To me the idea that vast quantities of small arms powder are being sucked up in the Ukraine is not an issue. Even more must have been used in Afganistan and most battles have been fought with artillary and bombs (more recently missiles) since the latter part of WW1 so I don't think the idea holds water.
To me the whole powder shortage is a result of panic buying, aggravated by other events of the last 2 years and the rumours of Enduron discontinuance smells strongly of substances found in pastures recently vacated by gentleman cows. Time will tell.
Regards Grandpamac.

Reload Swiss (RS) makes a lot of powder for Alliant (Reloader 17,22 and 26 IIRC).

But yeah, it will take a while for things to flow downstream. The UK banned several ADI made powders (like Varget, Trail Boss and H4350) due to REACH.

You can still find the odd tub for sale, but people who are clinging onto a finite supply are getting increasingly desperate.

I hear a firstborn, kidney and some unspeakable things have been offered in exchange for an 8lb jug of Varget.

Originally Posted by caberslash

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Reload Swiss (RS) makes a lot of powder for Alliant (Reloader 17,22 and 26 IIRC).

But yeah, it will take a while for things to flow downstream. The UK banned several ADI made powders (like Varget, Trail Boss and H4350) due to REACH.

You can still find the odd tub for sale, but people who are clinging onto a finite supply are getting increasingly desperate.

I hear a firstborn, kidney and some unspeakable things have been offered in exchange for an 8lb jug of Varget.

Greetings @caberslash,
It seems you have two events (at least) restricting supply in the UK and Europe but honestly could not agree with Nigel's last sentance. I don't think that either event applies to such an extent in other countries. Getting back to the Enduron powders I still have not seen any credible evidence to convince me that Enduron has been discontinued but will watch this space.
Regards Grandpamac.

Originally Posted by grandpamac

ADI does not make the Enduron powders.

Correct IMR make them in Canada