The original WTF bullet? Wow.

OK might be somewhat of an over-reaction, but take a look at this. Anyone used one? I did a google search to see if it had come up on here before, doesn’t look like it.

https://rws-ammunition.com/en/infota...ws-uni-classic

So this RWS Uni Classic is an out there design, I’ve never seen anything like it. Classic? Er, not really.

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Nickel plate steel jacket, two different core materials and a shape like a weird sex toy. When my mate sent me a picture, I thought it must be anti-tank ordnance. But no, it’s anti big ass hoofed things.

There’s a softer version it seems, the ID Classic, for thin skinned game.

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So any experience of these? There’s some promotional material but I haven’t found a proper terminal performance video yet.

They get good reviews over here (Scandinavia).

The RWS being the most popular behind Barnes.

Amazing how different things are over there. Monolithics yeah fine, but I had no idea that nickel plated steel bullets even existed.

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Amazing how different things are over there. Monolithics yeah fine, but I had no idea that nickel plated steel bullets even existed.

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The Germans have been doing that since the war as far as I know.
Probably even further back?

I’ve clearly had a sheltered upbringing!

What does a nickle plated steel jacket traveling at 3000 ft/s do to a barrel?

Considering that the Germans don’t have any game that’s bigger, tougher, scarier or harder to kill than we do, other than the odd moose which we have too ;) then I have often wondered why they have such a love affair with super hard bullets.

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What does a nickle plated steel jacket traveling at 3000 ft/s do to a barrel?

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Nothing worse than copper does.
Burning powder wears the bore more than the bullets sliding down it.

The bullets are a pre emtive solution to the EU's proposed ban on lead projectiles.
I think perhaps you might have to use non toxic shot in some EU countries if you want to sell the meat.

Ah ha, I thought that might be the case. Bloody EU.

Ive used the whole range of RWS whilst hunting in Germany for many years, they are accurate well thought out designs with great features depending on your objectives. I've used TIG, TUG TOG, and H-mantle. The exterior design allows for hair at the site, the internal designs can guarantee exit wounds and or good blood trails etc. None are really designed for long-range, but for humane hunting for game destined for the kitchen.
Check out the RWS website. Very pricey even for Germans, but they don't shoot tons and we used GECO ammo for practice as it could print to a very similar POA to 100m

So TIG, TUG etc are Brenneke bullets, not RWS @Jit? Or are they one in the same thing? Certainly look very similar.

On the Brenneke website they say “TIG® continuously proves to be one of the most successful bullets for all light and moderately heavy types of game on a worldwide scale.” Which is probably a little bit optimistic considering I’ve never come across them before.

I remember when I lived in southern Africa I hunted with a few Europeans and one thing that I recall now was how used they were to tracking long runner deer with dogs. It’s a fair while ago now but my hazy memory recalls a strong preference for very hard bullets that passed through and did little peripheral damage, and the bang flop DRT we tend to strive for here was not particularly important to them. Almost as if the tracking of the deer with the dogs was as much or more fun than the shooting of it.

I still have a packet of 100 norma 30 cal projectiles. 180 grain lead tipped cup and core steel jacketed nickel plated from 1960's. A magnet lifts them easily.

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Considering that the Germans don’t have any game that’s bigger, tougher, scarier or harder to kill than we do, other than the odd moose which we have too ;) then I have often wondered why they have such a love affair with super hard bullets.

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Germans hunt Africa more than Kiwi's do some of the RWS and other German bullet manufactures have been making high tech projectiles
since the early 1900's Nosler Partions were 25 years after the same design was in use in Europe, Norma had steel , Like norsk/nickel jacket bullets in the 1970's
called the Triclad.
Like norsk says they are no worse than copper, barrel steel is a lot harder than any jacket material in use, The gas cutting is what wears the barrel out and bad cleaning
ask a barrel maker they will tell you more barrels are stuffed by cleaning than shooting.

@Cordite.... man you must have an old 220grn round nose soft point somewhere to enlighten these heathens who cant picture nickle plated projectiles... werent Norma vulcans silver too??

So what's this silver/nickel looking thing then?? Guess.

From a 270wsm @ 300 yds. Full length deer penetration. Found in HQ.

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um uuummm uummm Browning factory round???

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um uuummm uummm Browning factory round???

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Nah.

some one makes nickle round for deer ...one of the new offerings.like deer season....

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some one makes nickle round for deer ...one of the new offerings.like deer season....

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Hand loaded component. You really do need to get out more MD. :) :)

my rifles MIGHT see a box of factory rounds once every 5 years if they lucky..... owned the .223 for 22 years and other than the rounds I bought with it new its had 20rounds I bought and 30 I was given....round count would be close to 2k now.

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Considering that the Germans don’t have any game that’s bigger, tougher, scarier or harder to kill than we do, other than the odd moose which we have too ;) then I have often wondered why they have such a love affair with super hard bullets.

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Ahem. Don't forget the Eurasian wild boar which occasionally kills hunters. Definitely dangerous game. (-:

No scarier than one of our big feral sows with her piglets, backed into a fence or a steep bank.

After a run in with a sow in this exact situation, one of my older mates won’t go anywhere up the back of his farm without his pump action 12ga!

Who needs a Eurasian wild boar to feel involuntary clenching of buttocks anyway?

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Asterix and his tribe :)

Something that I've discovered that I also didn't know is that these bullets aren't new, they've been around for about 10 years or more? I guess if they were as remarkable as the marketing blurb claims they are, we'd have seen a lot more like them, but I'm picking they're too expensive to manufacture. I asked my cuz in the US - never come across them, and my cuz in the UK - knows of them but never seen anyone use them. So I guess they're a niche bullet in Germany / Austria / Czech etc.

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The GP11 best looking Military rifle round ever with steel/nickel projectile the GP90 5.56 has 62 grain projectile of the same metal,

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So TIG, TUG etc are Brenneke bullets, not RWS @Jit? Or are they one in the same thing? Certainly look very similar.

On the Brenneke website they say “TIG® continuously proves to be one of the most successful bullets for all light and moderately heavy types of game on a worldwide scale.” Which is probably a little bit optimistic considering I’ve never come across them before.

I remember when I lived in southern Africa I hunted with a few Europeans and one thing that I recall now was how used they were to tracking long runner deer with dogs. It’s a fair while ago now but my hazy memory recalls a strong preference for very hard bullets that passed through and did little peripheral damage, and the bang flop DRT we tend to strive for here was not particularly important to them. Almost as if the tracking of the deer with the dogs was as much or more fun than the shooting of it.

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You are partially right @Flyblown. Its thing from the past when projectile design was less developed, things have changed but most people kept using the same thing they did before.
I used to shoot everything with 196grs S&B SPCE, 196gr Norma Vulcan and 198 gr TIG from my 8x57JS yugo. Was a bit of an overkill on roe and foxes but that's what I had back then.
I grew up in Hungary and worked there as a game keeper/guide. Seen a fair amount of animals shot until I left the country in 09 and only a handful them being shot with non EU made ammo(I don't count Russian here). A lot of hunters from the older generation also still believes they need at least a 180gr projectile to knock down a red stag at 100m or less.
When I tell people that in NZ reds get shot with anything from 222 to 6.5x55 or 6.5CM they look at me like am a serial rapist. In they eyes a 6.5x55 is a fine roe cartrigde (about the size of a goat) and that's it. Not enough weight and penetration, said on chap who only ever used his dads 7x64.

During WW2 the Germans had a shortage of copper for cartridge cases and initally trialled sintered iron as a material for driving bands on artillery shells another major useage. It proved to be less wearing on the rifling and much less fouling than copper so was adopted. I believe some mp 44 ammunition was alone made with steel jackets.

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I grew up in Hungary and worked there as a game keeper/guide. Seen a fair amount of animals shot until I left the country in 09 and only a handful them being shot with non EU made ammo(I don't count Russian here). A lot of hunters from the older generation also still believes they need at least a 180gr projectile to knock down a red stag at 100m or less.

When I tell people that in NZ reds get shot with anything from 222 to 6.5x55 or 6.5CM they look at me like am a serial rapist. In they eyes a 6.5x55 is a fine roe cartrigde (about the size of a goat) and that's it. Not enough weight and penetration, said on chap who only ever used his dads 7x64.

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Ha ha I laughed hard when I read this. Fuck it took me back 29 years to a very clearly remembered occasion on a huge Northern Cape plaas, the first time I took my .243 Winchester out of its bag.

What have you got there Soutie?
Er, it’s my 243.
WAT?
What do you mean What? It’s a .243 Winchester.
Gaan ye fokkin GRAP???!!! (are you fucking joking?)
No. Why?
You can’t use that! It’s for dassies!
What?
It’s for fokkin rock rabbits!
(At this point, you really need to know how to roll your “r”s...)

Somewhat bemused, I actually considered putting my weakling pathetic runt of a rifle back in its bag, and going home. But bred from sterner stuff, and the knowledge we’d kicked these Dutch punks’ arses back in 1902, I strode on undeterred, and dropped every small biltong antelope I pointed my puny .243 at. By shooting them in the neck. Which didn’t go down particularly well.

When I reported all this to my dear late Grandpa, he wrote me a letter which I still have somewhere. He said (words to this effect) “the Dutchman knows only brute force, the finer points of precision are beyond him”. This didn’t exactly ring true, from a Boer War history perspective, but nonetheless I took it onboard. Actually I probably took it a bit too literally, because a few months later I got punched in the face for telling an unpleasant Dutchman he needed to use his finger instead of his whole hand, to cure his marital woes. Oh well, love and learn.

By the way Crunchies on here, I’ve just been smashed by the wife for my shite translation!

May not have been perfect but I pissed myself anyway - excellent! Love my .243 for Springbok.

Greetings All,
First projectile I ever loaded was the Norma .303 soft point semi pointed boat tail. These were, I believe, soft steel jacketed and cupro nickel plated. They cost $10.50 for a box of 100 and my friend thought I was nuts for paying that much. At the time Speer projectiles were $6.00 per hundred. Later 30 calibre 180 grain similar projectiles were loaded. From memory at this time, mid 70's, Norma offered a dual core, steel jacketed, cupro nickel plated projectile with a yellow plastic tip. I had some that did not have the plastic tip. Memory fails me on what it was called. The more things change the more they stay the same.
Regards Grandpamac.

my memory says "hammerhead" ????

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I think it was called plastic point at the time. I also used some flat point 180 grain .30 cal which were later called Alaska.

I remember the alaskans.... as you say to some degree its reinventing of the wheel....