Thread: overlap between cartridges

I was thinking of the 16” bbl 308 with de-moduled suppressor which is lighter shorter well balanced and has similar recoil to the traditional full length 243. Not as flat shooting if course but hits harder with a bigger kill zone. So theres not as much need for a light calibre, I should have said.

So, if we had a cutoff time of, say 100 years give or take a year or two either way, where does that leave us caliber wise with regard to which common ones you can buy factory ammo for, are pretty much as they were regarding twist rate etc and would still be perfectly acceptable to most of us for our general use??

7 x 57
30-06
270 (I know it’s out by a couple of years but just because!!)

What else??

you would have to include 303brit and 6.5x55 in that list and 45/70 and 30/30

Originally Posted by Sidetrack

So, if we had a cutoff time of, say 100 years give or take a year or two either way, where does that leave us caliber wise with regard to which common ones you can buy factory ammo for, are pretty much as they were regarding twist rate etc and would still be perfectly acceptable to most of us for our general use??

7 x 57
30-06
270 (I know it’s out by a couple of years but just because!!)

What else??

You missed the father of all three, the 8 x 57. You can still buy rifles and decent ammo for it in Europe. Add the 7 x 64 as it is hard to buy 7 x 57 new rifles these days. The list goes on for quite some time.
GPM.

you could have bought some dominion branded stuff off this forum just last week!!!!!

Originally Posted by Bagheera

I was thinking of the 16” bbl 308 with de-moduled suppressor which is lighter shorter well balanced and has similar recoil to the traditional full length 243. Not as flat shooting if course but hits harder with a bigger kill zone. So theres not as much need for a light calibre, I should have said.

Slightly relevant to your point, all other things being equal, it seems that .308 "Lite" rounds will produce less recoil than a .243. Makes the .308 more versatile and the .243 less attractive to my mind.

but yo ucan just as easily make the EBRG a pussy to shoot with a 80-87 grn projectile and still not be hamstrung on anything less than a fired up red stag front on....the suppressor makes it almost moot point,either will be soft shooting and the 7mm08 is the split the difference round.

I dont think the 3006 overlaps with anything.
It IS anything you want.

Yes and no concerning the 3006.
Great cartridge.
But powders and bullets have shifted things up
In the old days the performance was lower. A 300 HH was better than a 3006 but nowadays the 3006 is nudging what the HH did. By the same token with modern loads the 300hh has climbed a little.
Using that logic a modern 308 is doing what the 3006 used to do.
Also agreeing with grandpamac, the 8x57 which was a rip snorter at several stages of its development during WW2 and arguably the equal if not a little better than the 06 on the battlefield has gone backwards if using American ammo. Stick to using euro stuff and load to its potential in good firearms and it's a cracker

Originally Posted by Sidetrack

So, if we had a cutoff time of, say 100 years give or take a year or two either way, where does that leave us caliber wise with regard to which common ones you can buy factory ammo for, are pretty much as they were regarding twist rate etc and would still be perfectly acceptable to most of us for our general use??

7 x 57
30-06
270 (I know it’s out by a couple of years but just because!!)

What else??

Don't forget the great forefather 8x57

Have been catching up on some reading on the 222rem. In a nutshell, it was created because there was a rather large void between the 22Hornet and the 220Swift and very shortly after we have a magnum version and then on and on from there. Getting back to MD’s original question, the facts are that “Nature abhors a vacuum” and we as a species cannot stop tinkering with shit. It maybe a spiral of ever diminishing returns but its in our genes and we’ll probably never be satisfied with the one thing.

I’m good with that.

The 7x57 came before the 8x57.
The Americans and Brits were used to test the 7x57 performance in Cuba and the SA velds pre 1900.


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Originally Posted by Dicko

The 7x57 came before the 8x57.
The Americans and Brits were used to test the 7x57 performance in Cuba and the SA velds pre 1900.


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Greetings,
The 8x57 was introduced in 1888 and was not a Mauser cartridge originally. The 7x57 was introduced in 1892 following the 7.65 x 53 in 1889.
Regards Grandpamac.

I stand corrected!


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Greetings @Dicko and all,
The development of smokeless powder military rifle cartridges was extremely rapid. The French started it al with their Lebel rifle and its 8mm smokeless cartridge in 1886. Neither the rifle nor the cartridge case was all that special but the smokeless powder and the calibre was revolutionary. A deserter from the French army delivered a rifle and its cartridges to the Germans who had introduced their first repeating rifle in 1884 which was now obsolete. A rapid development of a new army rifle for Germany, at Spandau, resulted in the M88 "Commission Rifle" and the 8mm cartridge. The action had elements of both Mauser and Mannlicher designs. In 1889 Mauser produced their first smokeless cartridge and rifle chambered for the 7.65 x 53 Mauser cartridge in Belgium. Things moved on rapidly from there.
Regards Grandpamac.