Just seen a message on facebook from our local shop saying the wholesale prices of powder are about to rise significantly again due to ongoing conflicts and shipping
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Just seen a message on facebook from our local shop saying the wholesale prices of powder are about to rise significantly again due to ongoing conflicts and shipping
Yep got an email from wholesalers and approx $32 per kilo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy Jack
Wecome $200 plus a kg!
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I think the reason was its becoming difficult to ship (not just in NZ) due to changing regulations. So now it seems its doubly difficult to get it actually here then difficult to ship once it actually arrives.
I wonder when businesses here decide its all too hard and flag importing/selling it?
It is what it is, despite everything going on in the world the cost of most things is on the rise, the cost of importing powder has risen sharply and had restrictions on amounts so the increase in cost is a double whammy, no doubt some people will rush out and buy up everything they can get their hands on creating an inflated market with matching inflated prices (have we forgotten about the absurd prices people were willing to pay for primers and some of the more popular projectiles :roll: ) eventually another shipment will roll in and $200/kg will seem like a bargain :x_x:
As @dannyb says, it is what it is. H&F Nelson have been selling ADI 1 Kg’s @ $199.99 for a while now, Gun City $10+ cheaper. Interesting to see what their next pricing is like.
Noticed that with the news of wholesale price rise due to shipping costs with future shipments one large Auckland retailer hiked their instore prices by $24 a kg, forward planning?
It's interesting that we in NZ seem to be hell bent on being different to Aussie (and probably the rest of the world) for GD classification for powder. We used to run on 1.4, but now seem to require 1.3 (the difference being increased mass explosion hazard which affects volumes, storage and treatment of the shipping container).
ADI seems to package it as Class 1.4, although a couple of the outfits repackaging it into their packaging seem to have it as 1.3 as well. Not useful, just makes it a lot harder and harder = more expensive.
The other issue with shipping Class 1 anything, is it can't go on the same boat as a lot of other products so if the shipping company has one container of Class 1 and 50 containers of other stuff that none of it can go with Class 1 I wonder what ends up sitting on the wharf waiting for the next boat???
That means the shipper ends up paying for a much longer hireage for the container, which translates to us paying.
I see that Reloaders have a wide range of American powders available at the moment.
Is Australian still preferred for availability, price or temperature velocity stability ?
The price of everything is going up, so powder goes up with it.
Groceries up 79% in the US over last 24 months.
There are cheaper options locally :)Quote:
Originally Posted by woods223
Say what??Quote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
US food prices have increased 28% since 2019.
I would not believe that entirely. Suppliers in Souhtland have ADI powder cheaper that the ones in Wellington. How is that possible? Greed for sure. And the time when powder was unobtainable is gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy Jack
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Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg
Kelly Country ?
Me, Terminator Products :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by woods223
I have heard that ADI are struggling to find a port to export their powder from.
Similar issues with a port in NZ to receive the shipment and issues shipping across Cook Strait.
Many ports don't want to deal with propellant shipments.
Having to truck powder from manufacturer to a port further away will also add to the cost.
@woods223 it was Kelly Country who put it up on Facebook
as below
That is NOT true at all, I carried onboard the vessel a container for Fiocchi NZ loaded with powder and other components from Ack to Littleton. No issue at all, just classified as DG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclops
Stop listening/spreading these rumors which are trying to justify a price increase.
There are heaps of shipments of propellant and primers to from Europe, to from USA, to from Australia.
@ronz same here. The DG boxes always stowed fwd and above deck. First box off and taken away during operations. Then last box onboard when going to next port.
Maybe its because theres been so many exploddy ships between Au and NZ in recent times?
Oh hang on that hasnt happened either.
No problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronz
Thanks for the correction.
Shit, I thought powder prices were already stupid high
https://www.usinflationcalculator.co...united-states/Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
I get 31.1% from here 2019-2024, but can't comment re the veracity of the website. They claim to use Govt figures, but just because you read it on the internet......
Websites of all the local shops still have my powder of choice sitting around the same price as they did a year ago... all still say 'out of stock' though...
Anyone know where I can get some Magpro? :oh noes:
We had several cans of Class 1 product off-shipped due to conflicts with other cargo when I was in that trade - the Class 5's usually traveled fine but Class 1 was a lottery as to when they would turn up in NZ. We had one in holding in a Customs DG area in Aus for a few weeks at one stage, missed a boat every 3-4 days in that time. I don't know why that is the case and why it was our product but it's a thing with Class 1...Quote:
Originally Posted by ronz
Was in Nelson H&F today. both the manager and gun counter attendant made the comment more than once "have you heard that powder prices are going up next shipment?" Gun City Richmond, asked the question and response was 'maybe, who knows? we'll find out next shipment". Couldn't be arsed ringing Kelly Country or going out there on the off chance they had powder, noticed their prices were creeping up last time I called in. Still better service than H&F Blenheim when it comes to reloading supplies.
Staff at reloaders reckoned an approx 30% increase, soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by woods223
They increased their prices of old stock ADI by $24 a kg last week when the wholesaler announced shipping increases with next shipmentQuote:
Originally Posted by Danger Mouse
You'd think they were selling petrol - that's the petrol pricing model. Charge what it cost you to replace the stock!Quote:
Originally Posted by tetawa
I thinks its called Hedging, a tool/process to protect business against volatile markets i.e fuel/munitions.
Or in plain English, using the customer as a bank account. I would hazard a guess if the next shipment arrives at a cheaper price than indicated, the price won't come down - funny how that works in the fuel industry.
It will be real interesting to see what importing bulk does to the local LPG price per Kg - I think people will get a bit of a rude shock at that point. I feel for the people with gas appliances that are reliant on it for water heating and cooking. That won't be nice.
As far as powder, unless my needs change or I suddenly start having to sort out a bunch of pests I'm right for the next year or three. Currently not a very high volume shooter - just an animal every now and then and the occassional sort out of the local pests both four legged and winged.
The story from a major importer is that the freight cost has drastically risen because of the weight limit that has been imposed on powder. Used to be 10 tonnes, now will be limited to two tonnes. Inevitably, this will add significant cost, irrespective of the actual powder cost.
I'm over here in Texas atm and yes the US prices on everything are equal or actually worse than NZD prices.
I got told the same thing, a good chunk of the increase will be freight and handling.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6x47
At least black powders price is stable thanks to local manufacture.
Seems that is due to the change in powder classification from 1.4S to 1.3 - increased mass explosion hazard. I can't for the life of me work out what drove that - I would hazard a guess that the Israelis and Ukrainians aren't being restricted by that. Maybe a bit of a tool to try to drive down 'non-essential' demand haha.
I would also put forward the opinion that if weight is restricted to 2 ton, bloody near more effective to charter a plane! All the advantages of sea freight just fell over. Maybe even run a special trip for a small freight boat...