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Originally Posted by striker

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Probably not going to be shooting Fclass with a m77 but I have been wrong before.

Originally Posted by 264 Luvr

Perhaps I am on something also, but WTF does "eTGTs behind a HBC" mean in English, can someone translate this code for me please.

ET,s got tits and holy bloody crap

Good choice on those projectiles, the 168 game kings are well suited to your 1in10 twist barrel. It should be a deadly combo out to about 500m.
I am also in Auckland, if you like i can show you the ropes or help you work up a load, just send me a PM.

I would load 3 rounds at , 44.5gr, 45.0gr , 45.5gr ,46.0gr using AR2208 and try them out, guarantee you will at the very least hit sub 1" groups if your rifle is right and you do your part, most rifles will be right about the 45.0gr mark with decent 165gr projectiles its not a hot load but works well, look for pressure signs but unlikely you will encounter any with this combo.

as for brass, Winchester is normally the best affordable brass but for hunting purposes any brass case will do. Buy Lapua if you can afford it, make sure that all your cases are the same brand though. Primers, any large rifle primer will do i prefer federal large rifle primers, no need for match primers.

Cheers

watch this video mate, it gives ya good info. Eric is a good guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zSG804HwVk

Originally Posted by NewbieZAR

168gr Amax, 44-46gr (find your node) of AR2208, Federal match primers. Done
Will kill anything in NZ out to 500 and beyond.

Hey mate looked around the last couple of days and couldn't find 168gr amax projectiles barely anywhere! Managed to score the last couple of packets from reloaders! any one know why this is? will be giving it a run for its money when I can make my lazy ass to the range

Originally Posted by Shahin

Hey mate looked around the last couple of days and couldn't find 168gr amax projectiles barely anywhere! Managed to score the last couple of packets from reloaders! any one know why this is? will be giving it a run for its money when I can make my lazy ass to the range

Superseded by the ELDX and ELDM

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Superseded by the ELDX and ELDM

Which is superior per say?

Originally Posted by Shahin

Which is superior per say?

According to Hornady. ..I haven't used any myself yet.....still using up 178 amax

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Originally Posted by 264 Luvr

Perhaps I am on something also, but WTF does "eTGTs behind a HBC" mean in English, can someone translate this code for me please.

Sorry, etgts = electronic targets. The ones in New Zealand from Silver mountain targets only work with a projectile that is still supersonic. HBC is one of several 308w 155gr match grade HPBT's used. It has a secant ogive I think making its seating depth picky but its slippery. So to be still Supersonic at 1000yds you want about 1250fps, if using a HBC projectile 45.5gr of ADI 2208 is about right. The Nossler match with the same load will have dropped about 120fps+ so usually fails to register.

30 caliber 168gr AMAX will not be supersede by the ELD range. This is directly from Hornady and confirmed by Reloaders, it is too popular in the USA to discontinue.
Propably just low stock at the moment, try Hunting and Fishing North Shore, talk to Hennie he will see you right.

Or blackwatch

Originally Posted by NewbieZAR

30 caliber 168gr AMAX will not be supersede by the ELD range. This is directly from Hornady and confirmed by Reloaders, it is too popular in the USA to discontinue.
Propably just low stock at the moment, try Hunting and Fishing North Shore, talk to Hennie he will see you right.

Or blackwatch

My bad I thought the entire range of amax had been superseded

Originally Posted by steven

Sorry, etgts = electronic targets. The ones in New Zealand from Silver mountain targets only work with a projectile that is still supersonic. HBC is one of several 308w 155gr match grade HPBT's used. It has a secant ogive I think making its seating depth picky but its slippery. So to be still Supersonic at 1000yds you want about 1250fps, if using a HBC projectile 45.5gr of ADI 2208 is about right. The Nossler match with the same load will have dropped about 120fps+ so usually fails to register.

Speed of sound is about 1120 fps at sea level.

I shoot a 155gr Lapua Scenar with 44.5gr 2208 in Lapua Palma cases through a 32" 1:10 True-Flite barrel at 2840 fps.
The projectile's still supersonic at 1000 yards and registers on electronic targets.

I've also shot a 80gr Amax projectiles from a Savage 223 that still are supersonic at 1000 yards and register on e-targets.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

My bad I thought the entire range of amax had been superseded

Yeh me too, the entire range but that one and maybe 1 or 2 others will be replaced.

Originally Posted by Cyclops

Speed of sound is about 1120 fps at sea level.

I shoot a 155gr Lapua Scenar with 44.5gr 2208 in Lapua Palma cases through a 32" 1:10 True-Flite barrel at 2840 fps.
The projectile's still supersonic at 1000 yards and registers on electronic targets.

I've also shot a 80gr Amax projectiles from a Savage 223 that still are supersonic at 1000 yards and register on e-targets.

From experience of our etgts at Trentham anything less then 1200fps is unreliable. So same load of 45.5gr of 2208 with nosslers the ones that registered had about 1170fps maybe 2 out of 5 or 6 (sat there did that) 45gr behind a Nossler will not register at all. Generally HBC and the Lapua seem very comparable in terms of BC showing 100fps more than nosslers from what I can see, 45.5gr of 2208 for them seems 100% reliable, this is probably gun dependant, the last barrel it had wouldnt register at all at 1000yds we had to bin it.

@Shahin
If you want some HBC 155gn to play with - I've got a few spare (15-20) that I can let you have.
You cover post - PM me with addy mate.
Cheers