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Anyone else using Re 22 with 143 Gr Eld X in a 6.5
Been loading up a few missiles using 51 to 52 gr Re 22 but surprised at the lack of speed. 52 Gr is around 2740, when all the reading will tell you this is a near max load and should be up around 2900
Next step is to load up some 53-54 gr loads and see what happens with both pressure and speed
If all else fails I'll look to 2209 maybe
6.506 ? Continue to work up carefullly watching for pressure signs, I guess you should be able to get 2850 w RL22. If not then I’d recommend going with a slower powder like 2217 or even better RL25 or 26. I’ve got a couple of cans of RL25 and had been running 2217 in my 6506ai with 140gn AMAXs. RL25 definitely gives me more speed 2930 w RP brass or 2980 with Norma. This is about 100 fps better than 2217 but probably could have pushed the 2217 harder than I did. The load with RP brass gives sub 0.5 moa grps and very tight SD so go with that. RL25 loads are around 57 - 58 gn or bit higher. 59.5 in Norma brass was starting to show pressure signs.
Cheers mate
Yea 6.5 06. See if I can swap the other spare can of Re 22 I got for a Re 26 and go from there
Thanks Again
Here's what Quickload says - interpret with care:
Cartridge : 6.5-06 A-Square
Bullet : .264, 143, Hornady ELD-X 2635 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 60.353 grain H2O = 3.919 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-22
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 74 41.60 2151 1469 26490 10413 87.3 1.671
-18.0 76 42.64 2206 1545 28182 10788 88.7 1.630
-16.0 78 43.68 2261 1623 29982 11156 90.1 1.591
-14.0 80 44.72 2316 1703 31899 11517 91.3 1.552
-12.0 81 45.76 2371 1785 33939 11867 92.5 1.514
-10.0 83 46.80 2427 1870 36116 12206 93.6 1.476
-08.0 85 47.84 2482 1957 38431 12533 94.7 1.435
-06.0 87 48.88 2538 2045 40898 12846 95.6 1.393
-04.0 89 49.92 2594 2136 43501 13144 96.5 1.353
-02.0 91 50.96 2649 2228 46246 13426 97.2 1.313
+00.0 92 52.00 2705 2323 49160 13690 97.9 1.276
+02.0 94 53.04 2760 2419 52254 13934 98.5 1.239
+04.0 96 54.08 2815 2517 55541 14159 99.0 1.204 ! Near Maximum !
+06.0 98 55.12 2870 2616 59035 14362 99.4 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
+08.0 100 56.16 2925 2717 62750 14543 99.7 1.137 ! Near Maximum !
+10.0 102 57.20 2980 2819 66705 14700 99.9 1.106 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Thanks
On balance it seems unlikely that Re 22 will ever achieve 2900 - 3000 safely. Best I can do is 2740 which is slightly better than quickload, so seems another powder is inevitable
Im using 2209 in a 260 rem with the 143 eldx 22 inch barrel. 44.0 grains of powder achieving 2805fps. But its a bit hot and needs reducing but sd is so low i cant be bothered changing it.
Cheers Tim
Got some 2209 for my mates 6.5 x 55 so will try that as a last resort. Seems to work well in the 30.06, and the 6.5 06 is an identical case so all is not lost
Mines a 22 inch as well with another 3 inches on the suppressor but will try chainsaws recipe and get hold of some Re 25
Let me know how long your barrel is, over-all cartridge length and I'll run some more Q/L data for you . . . If you want it really accurate give me the case capacity in H20
I have used RE22 in .25-06, .30-06 and .300 Win Mag, but moved away from it due to severe temp sensitivity. Plenty of better options out there.
I have had good results with n560 in 6.5-06
yeah mines the same suppressed to so yeah the 2209 is a mint powder had no issues getting low s.d ect. never tried the reloader powders due to price and availability. The burn rate on the 2209 is very versatile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bos
Yea some 26 might be magic maybe ever superperformance both achieving mid 2850s in my 20" 260 with 143 lrab and 143 eldx
I used RL22 in my Forbes.260 but it's not temp stable I now use RL 26 or Hodgdon superprofrmance both will give you the speed although RL26 will give you less pressure.
They both work awesome in all .260 I load for.
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Thanks, much appreciatedQuote:
Originally Posted by Tentman
Barrel is 22" but 26" if you allow the 4" of supressor hanging off the end
OAL is 3.424"
Case capacity is 69.1 Grains (4.478grams)
Here's AR2209
Cartridge : 6.5-06 A-Square
Bullet : .264, 143, Hornady ELD-X 2635 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 62.618 grain H2O = 4.066 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.424 inch = 86.97 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : ADI AR 2209
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 72 41.60 2224 1571 29544 10618 90.0 1.577
-18.0 74 42.64 2278 1648 31390 10972 91.2 1.541
-16.0 76 43.68 2332 1727 33346 11318 92.4 1.512
-14.0 78 44.72 2386 1808 35419 11656 93.5 1.474
-12.0 80 45.76 2440 1891 37617 11982 94.5 1.435
-10.0 82 46.80 2495 1976 39949 12297 95.4 1.394
-08.0 83 47.84 2549 2063 42420 12598 96.2 1.355
-06.0 85 48.88 2603 2151 45043 12886 97.0 1.316
-04.0 87 49.92 2657 2241 47826 13158 97.7 1.279
-02.0 89 50.96 2711 2333 50781 13414 98.3 1.244
+00.0 91 52.00 2764 2427 53895 13652 98.8 1.209
+02.0 92 53.04 2818 2521 57183 13871 99.2 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
+04.0 94 54.08 2871 2618 60670 14071 99.6 1.144 ! Near Maximum !
+06.0 96 55.12 2924 2715 64369 14250 99.8 1.113 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 98 56.16 2977 2814 68295 14407 99.9 1.083 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
And here are the MAXIMUM LOADS for a variety of powders - if you use this data work up and cross check it against other sources
artridge : 6.5-06 A-Square
Bullet : .264, 143, Hornady ELD-X 2635 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 62.618 grain H2O = 4.066 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.424 inch = 86.97 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 63816 psi, or 440 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
75 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 70%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-26 95.8 59.4 3.85 2983 100.0 63817 14903 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 101.6 62.6 4.06 2980 99.6 63817 15381 1.120 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 101.4 62.5 4.05 2979 99.7 63817 15349 1.120 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 98.8 58.3 3.78 2976 99.0 63817 15637 1.125 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 104.7 60.1 3.89 2974 100.0 63817 14537 1.124 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 96.9 58.4 3.78 2972 100.0 63817 15100 1.133 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 99.1 60.8 3.94 2969 98.1 63817 15786 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 94.2 57.9 3.75 2969 100.0 63817 14651 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 103.2 57.9 3.75 2969 99.4 63817 15163 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 97.7 57.9 3.75 2969 99.4 63817 15163 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214 102.7 61.5 3.99 2959 99.5 63817 14871 1.109 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 98.8 57.6 3.73 2958 99.3 63817 15031 1.112 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 99.1 57.8 3.75 2950 99.8 63817 14966 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 99.1 57.8 3.75 2950 99.8 63817 14966 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 99.1 57.8 3.75 2950 99.8 63817 14966 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 101.7 58.1 3.76 2950 99.8 63817 14990 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15 101.7 58.1 3.76 2950 99.8 63817 14990 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N570 105.0 63.9 4.14 2941 95.3 57564 16848 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 98.9 62.2 4.03 2934 100.0 63817 14321 1.127 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 102.5 60.3 3.91 2930 98.0 63817 14913 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 100.4 57.5 3.73 2926 99.0 63817 14708 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60 87.8 53.1 3.44 2925 100.0 63817 13411 1.127 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2 105.0 60.6 3.93 2923 99.2 59907 15468 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP30 105.0 60.6 3.93 2923 99.2 59907 15468 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 95.7 55.0 3.56 2916 99.8 63817 14225 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 96.2 55.6 3.60 2913 99.8 63817 14290 1.125 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 97.0 56.0 3.63 2907 99.8 63817 14195 1.125 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 86.9 52.6 3.41 2906 100.0 63817 13321 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17 86.9 52.6 3.41 2906 100.0 63817 13321 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23 101.2 57.2 3.70 2905 100.0 63817 13439 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518 92.6 55.2 3.58 2904 100.0 63817 13837 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 86.8 53.0 3.43 2902 100.0 63817 13802 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 86.8 53.0 3.43 2902 100.0 63817 13802 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511 88.9 54.7 3.54 2901 100.0 63817 13731 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 91.9 54.8 3.55 2900 100.0 63817 13713 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 97.6 56.9 3.69 2897 98.8 63817 14210 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 101.5 56.9 3.69 2897 98.8 63817 14210 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
Cheers, Thanks