Thread: Subsonic .223rem

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

OK Fussy...... but i stand by comment,subs suck if you miss by tiny bit and a 50-55grn sub will suck even more so...very little shock so into brainstem or chest of small game it is... PERSONALLY there is no way I would use them past 50 yards.

I am only planning on using them on rabbits, possums etc.
I had best explain better. At the moment I am doing a bit of pest control on local properties. Mostly rabbits etc but do come across the occasional pig and deer.
If I take the .22lr deer and pigs are generally out. If I take the 308, I end up shooting heaps of rabbits with overkill 190gn subs. I would like to take the .223rem with the option of either subs for rabbits of 73gn ELD-Ms for bigger critters. Hence I would like the subs to have better accuracy than 1"@50m.

Originally Posted by Shearer

I am only planning on using them on rabbits, possums etc.
I had best explain better. At the moment I am doing a bit of pest control on local properties. Mostly rabbits etc but do come across the occasional pig and deer.
If I take the .22lr deer and pigs are generally out. If I take the 308, I end up shooting heaps of rabbits with overkill 190gn subs. I would like to take the .223rem with the option of either subs for rabbits of 73gn ELD-Ms for bigger critters. Hence I would like the subs to have better accuracy than 1"@50m.

Drop the bullet weight to 35 or 40 grains the heavier bullets are too long to stabilise at sub velocity, The only .22 centre fire cartridge that is viable for subsonic is the .22 Hornet
the case capacity of the .223 is too big and the powder charge would so small making it difficult to be consistent, With Red Dot 700x Trail Boss it is about 3.5 grains or less

Originally Posted by shooternz

Drop the bullet weight to 35 or 40 grains the heavier bullets are too long to stabilise at sub velocity, The only .22 centre fire cartridge that is viable for subsonic is the .22 Hornet
the case capacity of the .223 is too big and the powder charge would so small making it difficult to be consistent, With Red Dot 700x Trail Boss it is about 3.5 grains or less

When you are talking about still effective killing you would need at least 7gr's otherwise it would dribble out of the barrel. My mate has 9 baffles on his DPT can. It is very quiet.

Originally Posted by TeRei

When you are talking about still effective killing you would need at least 7gr's otherwise it would dribble out of the barrel. My mate has 9 baffles on his DPT can. It is very quiet.

With a 45 grain cast bullet and 5.2 grains of Red dot the velocity is 1795fps hardly subsonic it would be slower with a jacketed bullet but not by much