Hey team. Possibly looking at a henry single shot in 45/70. Just wondering how short you can cut the barrel on them and what the go is with suppressing them.
Cheers
Printable View
Hey team. Possibly looking at a henry single shot in 45/70. Just wondering how short you can cut the barrel on them and what the go is with suppressing them.
Cheers
Quote:
Originally Posted by mimms2
Want to use for bush hunting for fun but very important to protect my ears for my pilot medical so I suppress all my rifles. Was just wondering from people’s experience how short you can chop a 45/70 and then suppress without it being a fuck up
Is there not a limit on how short you can cut a barrel on large calibers especially 45/70 and suppress with out ruining the suppressor or making it dodgy? Like I have a 19” 300wsm suppressed and a lot of people say don’t go below 18 cause it fucks the suppressor and lose to much performance. So guessing it the same with a 45/70?Quote:
Originally Posted by mimms2
Yeap will reload
If you have your eyes set on the henry that is fine. But just to let you know, there is a bergara single shot as well imported in the country that comes with the barrel already threaded. I would try to keep the barrel around the 18" mark,
It's not a binary thing like "17 inches is fine but 16 inches is instantly fucked". As the barrel gets progressively shorter, the intensity of the muzzle blast increases, so the quicker the baffles will get eaten away. You'd probably have to go stupid short to threaten the structural integrity of the suppressor and it'll vary by make - so best fire that question at whoever you go with, if you're gonna do that.
45/70 needs a big suppressor. It's a big exit hole with a lot of gas and so it needs a suppressor with a lot of forward volume to strip as much as possible to make any meaningful difference to noise.
for me...anything less than 18" and you wasting the round...... with longer barrel you WONT need to suppress unless you shooting stupid hot loads and lots of them. I dont even notice mine at 28" my ears dont ring at all...its fun to fire becuase of it.
nah old n grumpy...only partly deaf LOL
but seriously a longer barrel takes blast away from your ears,it is further away so everything is better,angle included..... love shooting the hefalump gum with black powder duplex loads......so much fun indeed.
Am going to suppress my 45/70 Henry at some stage. Gonna talk to Friwi about when I have the funds.
With suppressor on I’d want it to be no longer than it is with original barrel. Will be using factory loads.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Yes high has volume so reasonably big suppressor will be best
But relatively low pressure from a 45-70 so it won't eat the baffles like a high pressure round in a short barrel
I cant see subs being tough on a suppressor.
The quietest sub rifles have vented barrels so instead of cutting the barrel really short and hanging a long suppressor off it, a stronger set up might be venting the barrel from inch 12 on so that the overall set up is shorter. Just an idea, someone here will know if its viable
Can it be done with a muzzle forward on the marlin guide guns?
Consider a .44mag singlehot as well . . With 300grn. XTP bullets you have a Big hitter & using .44 specials you have subsonic
Hi rossi, I've got a 44 and tried the 300grn XTP. They are very accurate but the lead is too hard ( they are made for protection against Bears) and they perform poorly on game. The 300 grn Nosler HP is much better on game. Neither give performance even close to the photos you posted of what you got with the cast big metplat bullets in your 4570Quote:
Originally Posted by rossi.45
Not if you want to go hunting with it. Pistols and Pistol length rifles not legal for use off of certified Pistol ranges in NZ.Quote:
Originally Posted by mimms2
If you meant Something like that :Quote:
Originally Posted by 300_BLK
Can simply fitted at the end of a non ported barrel
Attachment 176108
Yes, DPT make them, looked into it a while back.Quote:
Originally Posted by 300_BLK
hey MoaH, good info . . back n the day when i 1st tried the XTP they were a real step up from the cast classic pistol bullets i started with, performance was brutal at close range on Goats & Fallow, smashing running animals in med step, Big holes in their chest you could look into, clockwork spread across the ground . . holy fck moments. After that i got seriously into big bore subs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moa Hunter
but Nothing stays the same, old designs change . .
My 45/70 is 14". If your shooting full house factory loads from a 14" barrel, you will have significant muzzle flash, which means suppressor wear. If you do your own loads to burn completely within the 14", no flash, no excessive wear.
For example, I'm using 450gr cast bullets on about 15gr of ADI AP100. Complete burn within 5" and should get about 1000fps (haven't had a chance to chrony yet)
All of my numbers are based off quickload software, extremely useful for reloading.
Change your doctor and learn to pass a medical like everyone else does mate. The audio test is the easiest to bullshit of all of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by mimms2
Back in the early '70's I started making centrefire suppressors commercially (probably the first) and the first few were over-barrel jobs on shortened .45/70 H&R Toppers. The barrels were shortened to about 14" giving an overall length of just over 30" without the suppressor, and fully assembled were the same length as the standard rifle. The rifles were 'scoped on the factory supplied Weaver base, and worked extremely well, especially with subsonic loads. They were surprisingly flat shooting with the big heavy lead bullets out to about 200 metres and flattened whatever they hit. I did quite a few of them before I started on other, more common, centrefire calibres, and then everybody wanted them! I have some photos of those early ones somewhere.
Dude I have been a pilot all my life. So yes, I must be smarter than you and yes, the audio test is easy as fuck to pass even if you are deaf as a beetle.
I enjoy your posts and agree with most, but dont step where you dont know , mate.
I recently bought one of those single shot Henry 45-70s and really like it.
Starting to experiment with handloading the brass and also wondering about getting it threaded but wondering what real benefit a suppressor would have?
It would reduce the noise but maybe not by all that much.
For practice we can use hear pro and lighter loads. For hunting the number of rounds used might not harm our hearing at all if we can hit what we aim at.
I would like to get some cast lead projectiles as well but can't find any just now.
I loaded some cast 165 grain bullets for my Henry Brass 30-30 with 14 grains of AR 2205 and they do not make much noise or have much kick but still work well out to 100M.
I am going to try some Hornady 300 gr HP with 40 to 50gr of H335 in the 45-70 when we are allowed to go out again.
that works with the smaller calibers like the 357 and 44 in the model pictured but my 45/70 1895 sbl dino gun does not have enough barrel protruding past the mag tube to allow fitment of supressor .Quote:
Originally Posted by Friwi
It would need what I would imagine would be a fair amount of money spent to shorten the mag tube slightly and cut a new dovetail in the barrel for the mag tube mount .
Obviously a different model may not have that problem , with say the 20" barrel as opposed to my 18.5" .
I think C404 is not quite as smart as he claims, as I am sure he should have referenced the post following mimms2 where there was a post from JMJW wishing to retain his hearing for his pilot's licence.
and on that note , in bush , mine running even subsonic rounds with no suppressor is still an ear ringer .... literally , so if a bush gun will need to be supressed if hearing protection is tantamount .Quote:
Originally Posted by gundoc
Amazing how much the noise is reflected back from the surrounding bush . Maybe not such an issue on open ground .
This is what put me off 45/50 for a bush gun. My requirements were as short and quiet as possible and able to manage both factory subsonic and supersonic rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ftx325
Some things reflect sound and others absorb it. Cloth and irregular shapes are both excellent sound absorbers. Many years ago I was part of a theatrical group that staged western hold-ups, gangster stand-overs, etc. for corporate functions. During one such event it a crowded ballroom I fired a 10 round burst of 7.62mm blanks into the air from my M60 and was surprised that people 30 feet away didn't seem to notice! Similarly, my early .22 suppressors had neatly machined baffles and were quite efficient, but I later changed to baffles that were rolled on a mandrel from tube (to save time and money) which left a rough serrated edge and they were noticeably better, even though the critical dimensions remained the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ftx325
plenty on trademe....both magnum imports and Roberts last time I looked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta Variant
FWIW, I went with a Bergera .45-70 over a Henry because the bergara I can brake down to put in panniers. I put a DPT on it, no extra baffles. Love it, it works a dream.
Factory length it points well, even with the suppressor, it is a heavy beast, (for its size) which helps keep on track following game or standing shots on targets.
I won't shoot it without the DPT, not only because I'm a pansy, but why beat yourself or your ears up?
I have one of those in .44 mag and a DPT muzzle forward with 2 extra baffles even with subs it is not quiet still wear ear muffs,Quote:
Originally Posted by Larrygoat
with it's happy load it very accurate, Really only bought it to test my cast bullets but it is starting to grow on me.
