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I'm at about 61mm OAL for the 80ELDM, my throat is shorter than I really thought. Next barrel I will get it throated a little longer
Ok, I thought it was going to be too far in the case, I've settled at 62mm so I'll see how it goes, from the research I've done it looks like the howa minis seem to stabilize them ok. I'll report back this evening.
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