Maybe this should be a sticky at the top.
After so many threads you guys shouldn't be using them.
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Maybe this should be a sticky at the top.
After so many threads you guys shouldn't be using them.
Large or small rifle primers ? I've found some aren't seating properly in some brass for small rifle, but CCI's work just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by killroy
I'm using Murom small rifle primers, no problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by killroy
I heard it was their pistol primers that had the issue, hence Reloaders in Auckland won't sell the pistol primers, only small and large rifle.
Murom - initially LR in a 25/06, then SR in my own .223. Strong loads in both cases but no problems with Federal or Fiocchi. Not tried Winchester lately, gave them away when it appeared that the brass-coloured generation was relatively under-sized, around .0008" according to me. Not much, but enough to cause loose fit in pockets prematurely.
All Winchester primers? I have Lot No. TEL287G. Any one can check if any failure out of this batch? So far I have no problem. Thanks for helping.
@AndrewH do you know the batch number that fucked up my bolt face? If so then let Grasshopper know.
Don't know the batch no unfortunately. They were Magnum primers with a 20%ish failure rate.
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Thanks guys, mine is standard large primers WLR. I have check the bolt faces of the rifles that I have fired them and do not find any gas cutting.
Years ago , I had the same thing happen , in 223 calibre , I was using start loads from the current ADI manual , and Federal small rifle primers , had them blow out just like the pic , happened on a Sako 75 & a TC Contender , and up till then , I had never had a problem with my reloads , I thought it may be rifle , no , and then brass , used Win & then lapua .
Then talking to a mate that run the relaoding gear for Belmont , when I said I had problems with my 223 reloads , 1st thing he said are you using Fed , he said they where a known issue , and as soon as I stopped using Federal small rifle primers , never had issues with my 223 reloads .
So , now , I NEVER buy fed small , unless I want to run it in pistol ammo , 9mm & 38spl etc .
Opps , and YES the ammo gas cut the bolt face on both rifles , just like a small gas axe would .
Later Chris
Chris, let me know if you are interested in buying my Winchester Large Rifle primers? Or anyone for that matter. Now seriously, up till now, I have no problem but all these posted just gave me goosebumps. As a matter of fact, I have just primed more brass with them.
Ive got some Russian LR primers you can have !!!
A mate gave me some to try , loaded up using my std 308 load , and they didnot pierce , BUT they totally flattened , so NO Russian primers for ME , least not in rifles .
Later Chris
I use Fed small and Fed small match and Morum small primers.
Ditto for Fed large match.
Have previously used Win small and large, Fed large and magnum.
Never had any issues with this.
So judging by the comments here, no one should ever use Fed, Win and Morum primers ever again.
:ORLY:
Good luck with that...
Also changing primers but keeping the load the same is silly, the dynamics have totally changed, seems the primer was stronger or the flame bigger. Should really start the load development from scratch.
@dogmatix, sounds like you will have to shift to CCI primers!
Well, i think federal match primers are extremely dangerous. In fact i think the best approach for everyone is to give me what federal match primers you have left so i can dispose of the safely. Someone just raided the stash and in a weak moment they managed to pry some from us :thumbsup:
On a slightly more serious note I may be convinced to swap some federal large rifle magnum match primers for some federal small rifle match or large rifle match primers...
I had a couple of cci lr do it to me a month ago,tho its possible the brass had been previously cut from a primer fail as it was second hand to me.
Haha... nice try!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gillie
And besides, I'm down to my last 1400 Fed Match Small, 1200 Fed Match Large and 1800 Fed small, its making me nervous!
More primers are in the country, don't stress, if you want to stress look at your powder stocks......Quote:
Originally Posted by dogmatix
Whew!!! got something right then:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg
Good to know but winchester just lost by meager business. A new bolt is way out of my budgetQuote:
Originally Posted by dogmatix
Awesome news! Finally the back order might get filled!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg
Stocked up on powder for the time being at least.
So, you can supply some fed 215's to a bloke in need?
I don't have any federal 215s. I had... yes, HAD some federal GM215Ms. They have been grabbed by another forum member
Guilty as charged ;)
Magnum Imports has plenty according to his website. Email him, send him a TM question (Wchapman) or PM him (magimps)Quote:
Originally Posted by 257weatherby
Unlike , others here on this site , I have 1) No axe to grind & 2 ) have no hidden agenda , ie like I sell a make of primer , and am dising the others .
Had 2 brand new rifles buggered by Fed small rifle primers , so I chose not to use them at ALL .
I use Fed LR Magnum match , no problems so far , and will continue in 300WM & 338LM .
As to the comment as to switching out primers and not working up from scratch , the load I swapped was a mild load , and I saw no need to reduce that .
My std primer for 308 is CCI BR2 , very happy with it , and will keep using it .
Also , just to be clear , I have a number of mates that shoot a lot , and have never had any trouble with Win primers .
Be aware that some people on this forum , are maybe less than truthful ( ie lie ) , if it furthers there business interests .
YEAP , you guessed IT , I donot sell Win primers or CCI primers or Russian primers , OR any primers at all , amagine that .
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Later Chris
Neither do I:rolleyes:
Nor do I Chris. I just have a severely munted bolt face caused by multiple failures with Winchester Primers and I have lost the enjoyment of using my rifle of 5 months and counting.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisF
Just got some more Fed lr primers so decided to have a compare in sizes.Expurts can decide if this is a contributing factor for falling out and popping after fireing and the other posted results. These are for my 260 lapua cases,i measeured random ones from both packets and they all came up with the same result.Ive also got batch numbers and if any one wants these at your own risk then there yours other wise there getting dumped down an offal hole.
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I've got another 300 odd with the same batch number.... I won't be using them eh.
HA ha nah!.Have you sorted your roar loads.
Yeah mate.. Changed to Fed 210's and backed it off slightly. Results are now much more consistent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neckshot
If your primers are falling out I suspect you've hurt the brass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neckshot
As for the primers before yet another person destroys a bolt stick em in the offal hole mate best place for them:)
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Twice fired cases i don't reckon especially when there not hot loadsQuote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
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Don't stick Em down the hole, use them as a target.
I wasn't suggesting they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neckshot
Have you swaged the primer pockets?
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I've noticed loose primer pockets after around four firings (Lapua Brass - loads are warnish).Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
I use this to clean the primer pockets out - https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=sw...er%3B880%3B660
Likely cause?
Your link is not working for me
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Hornady primer pocket cleaner, the rough mill head looking one.Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
I imagine if you went two town with it you could wreck the pocket?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nibblet
What do others think,
Never cleaned a primer pocket in my life:)
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Yeah mine are lucky if they get the lee pocket cleaner run over them, generally do for the 338, just feel like with that much powder getting burnt it might be wise but who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
My case prep is pretty much, deprime/resize, primer and seat bullet, after putting in powder of course.
Would guess that tool in a power drill could get away on you pretty quick
I don't clean my primer pockets never have.I think the size was the issue but like I said ill see what the expurt people say
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