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Hay guys
So i just got my cz .22 and i did an ammo test, I found cci subs and winchester subs 40g shot about the same
I had a lot more cci so sighted in and went possum shooting
I found the Terminal Performance Terrible, I made good normally one shot kill shots but found 4 out of 4 needed a 2nd or 3rd shot.
I normally have used winny blue subs and found the terminal performance great
Could i just have a dud pack or do cci not kill aswel?
Cheers
Shane
i use nothing but CCI 22. both subs and high velocity. found them to be the best of all i have tried
If you've ever hunted with an air rifle you'll know its all about shot placement
Cheers guys ill try another packet next time and see how they perform
Shots were good this place hasn't been shot in like 50 years so they just sat there.
CCI subs through my CZ455 seem to work the best. Ok, they always pass right through an animal, but I know where they are going to shoot so I can place shots with more confidence.
I ran a bunch brands of .22lr subs over a chrony, and group tested them. The Eley match ammo was the most consistent (no surprise there), followed by the CCI, winchester, remington.
I'll add the details when I find the post.
The CCI when sorted by rim thickness, pretty much matched the Eley. Shame it's such a tedious process.
What I did find is that the barrel shot a lot better after about 200 rounds through it.
try CCI kwik shock. its a hollowpoint that divides into 3 pieces on impact. sure drops southland hares in a hurry
Here's the post from the Thread: "Subsonic 22LR round for hunting?"
Tested Winchester 40gr Subsonic, CCI 40gr subsonic, and the eley match 40gn at 25m, and chronographed each of the 5 round groups.
CCI. 5 shot group: 0.213"
velocity: 1075, 1086, 1067, 1061, 1083
Winchester 5 shot group: 0.441"
velocity: 1024, 1004, 1011, 1015, 1014
Eley match 5 shot group: 0.160"
velocity: 1110(supersonic), 1083, 1057, 1075, 1070
Winner for the hunting ammo was the CCI, and was really quite impressive. Looks like I will be sticking with that for a while.
Measurements in the images are measured across the outside of the grouping, rather than centre-to-centre.
http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...eley-match.jpg
http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...ng-cci-sub.jpg
http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...ng-win-sub.jpg
http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...121_181520.jpg
Did you find it kills as well as it shoots?
Quick google has me thinking i got a few duds.
I did find that a few went supersonic
When I do my bit, they kill just fine. In fact all of the brands kill small game perfectly.
It's only when I'm shooting past 80 meters that the CCI and Eley come into their own - head shots as opposed to chest shots are still on the cards.
The Eley is a solid round, but kills rabbits, hares, etc very well. Cost and availability are the limiting factors for using match ammo in the field, as well as how far it travels once through the target.
CCI was by far the best compromise of cost vs consistency.
The truth is that possums are hard to kill. I've never had a "head shot" rabbit walk off, but it happens all the time with possums. I think their heads are small versus the body and not much of a neck, making a more difficult shot.
It's one reason I changed up to a 17hmr, possums have evolved to fall out of trees landing on there heads!
i learned the hard way never use remington rimfire ammo in a semi auto, horribly dirty stuff
I had some trouble with this until I put a laser on the rifle sighted for 5 meters. Looking through the scope gave a 1.5" difference in point of aim to the laser. This effectively equated to the difference between the bore and the centre of the scope.Quote:
Originally Posted by MightyBoosh
New normal then became: Put red dot on possum head, pull trigger, bang, dead possum on ground.
That is a basic mistake at that range quentin, out to 15 metres or so you have to aim high.
try the 42grn winnies and you wont go back.
possums you can either poke third eye socket or chest shoot...risk with chest shot is will they drop out clean or hangup in tree. with plucking it doesn't much matter where you hit them and the mighty .12ga solves the not coming down thing with ease.....good load of #2s and they coming down in a big hurry.
The cci shoot well but dont expand like the whinnys.
Its called power point for a reason :thumbsup:
Edit to add
Australian power point that is....american is different and shit.
Try shooting them sideways across the head. Between the eyes is far less effective. Wait till they turnQuote:
Originally Posted by MightyBoosh
another vote for the winchester 42g max.
win 42 subs shoot well in my JW15. The 42 power points are one dot up on my mil-dot reticle for a 75m zero.
My jw15 didn't like CCIs.
I like the Winchester subs for both accuracy and performance on rabbits, but hares are a different matter! I found that the Winchester subs would expand too quickly and cause painful and slow-killing (or even non-fatal) wounds on the heavier-bodied hares. The answer is subsonic solids (ie. target ammo) which shoot to the same point of aim and penetrate much better, giving clean kills.
I think it's the age old answer of matching rifle to ammo. However I have found that CCI seems to run better through the rifles I have owned over the years. I have a French Unique semi auto, very reliable with the ability to cycle over 600 rds of subsonic before powder fouling produces the odd jam ( maybe two in a hundred ).
I shot 25 rabbits this weekend and as long as I did my part the CCIs put them all down with only 3-4 runners that went 30 mtrs and then folded.
Nothing wrong with sub sonic in both accuracy and killing performance on small game.
As for the 17hmr I have mixed thoughts, stunning little killer but I have found it fickle at times , shot rabbits to 200yrds in right conditions but past 130 yrds I could hit them ok but a lot got back up and staggered off or got down holes.
They have stopped doing that now I have gone to 223, in fact quite often two halves go in different directions:D