Organic farm

Yea you need the weight, if you remove an OZ of lead you need to get a substitute, of the same weight or at least close,
wax and iron stone said above, mostly its waste of time, but its fun to play with shotguns and load up blanks,
what else is natural and dense, and small enough to blast out a 12 bore. sum types of seeds I bet.
lime is heavy, wonder if you can make lime and iron sand pellets, like buck shot, perhaps bake them hard, like concrete,

You guys are nuts. Just hit the little fuckers with a big "organic" stick.

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Originally Posted by Rushy

You guys are nuts. Just hit the little fuckers with a big "organic" stick.

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Of course we're nuts @Rushy. Life is far to short to be boring and normal, ... so they tell me anyway.

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Originally Posted by Chilli_Dog

You can get lead free air gun pellets, not sure exactly what they are though

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they are called PBA pellets (Performance Ballistic Alloy) they are very light and shoot very fast. but they are made by Gamo so they are crap. :) they are too light to do any real damage and they have been known to damage the internals of your gun (springer) because it is almost like dry firing the gun when shooting them.

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Originally Posted by kiwijames

Consider it more from a business perspective than an ethical one. If the investment pays back better than current non-organic model then it's got to be worth the consideration. There is a push in Hawkes Bay to be more organic with our food crops and I'm interested. My interest is more from a value added perspective than a lifestyle one though.

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I think most dairy farmers in NZ pondered converting to organics after the recent announcement. However, it take 3 years of 'farming organically' before you are 'certified organic' and recieve the $9/kgms. Fonterra will pay you a little bit extra during the process. Unfortunately, to become organic you typically have to reduce your milk production by about 1/3, some costs will reduce but not enough to make up for the drop in production. (Most farmers will not have the cash reserves to fund this) Then........you finally achieve 'certified organic status', only to find that conventional milk prices have recovered and organic milk supply has increased and we are back to a $1.50/KgMS premium (not worth it)

Rock salt in shotty shells, small amount of moisture and sit on window sill in the warm dry for a couple of weeks, i know of a farmer who accidentally killed his neighbours dog shooting it with one of these.

Cross bow. Its still metal but because it is retrievable should solve your problem.

Doesn't sound like metal-free is that plausible, but I looked into this someone who wanted to go lead-free for pest control. Hornady NTX (lead-free/non-toxic) ammo is available in .22WMR and .17HMR, CCI does a lead-free .22LR but Sportways don't bring it in to NZ. He ended up settling on alloy air rifle pellets for smaller critters and Barnes TSX .223 handloads for bigger ones. I haven't used Barnes before but they look like they have some impressive expansion.

Use steel shot in shotgun or 17hmr with 15.5gr NTXs (copper and tin, no lead).
Or if you want centerfire Hornady and of course Barnes have many lead free bullets.

I work helping NZ companies export. These days mainly in organic products. Value added organics is where NZ needs to position itself.
Plain and simple the worldwide market for organics over the next 10years will outstrip supply.

Fonterra isn't making it easy though, they killed their organic program 5 years ago to only now get back into it. They need to show a long term stable commitment to organic.

Did kosher milk a few years ago, had a rabbi on farm making sure we didn't milk any pigs or camels. Organic, kosher, halal milk is the way to go, must be worth shitloads. Did you know all alcohol is kosher

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Originally Posted by Rich007

I think most dairy farmers in NZ pondered converting to organics after the recent announcement. However, it take 3 years of 'farming organically' before you are 'certified organic' and recieve the $9/kgms. Fonterra will pay you a little bit extra during the process. Unfortunately, to become organic you typically have to reduce your milk production by about 1/3, some costs will reduce but not enough to make up for the drop in production. (Most farmers will not have the cash reserves to fund this) Then........you finally achieve 'certified organic status', only to find that conventional milk prices have recovered and organic milk supply has increased and we are back to a $1.50/KgMS premium (not worth it)

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So some of these cockies would have a chance to stop with the over stocking? As for milk recovering, we'll see. By the time it does councils or more importantly the public will be playing mary hell with the cockies over water...

I shoot organic spots, they don't want pure copper as that is a bigger contaminator than lead.

Organic itself, sweet money maker and the market is only going to get bigger. Faster. Just think dairy farms that aren't killing the country by having half the stock numbers but earning the same..... Silly not to.

I shoot on two organic farms near home regularly for possums and hares using a .22 Neither of the owners have ever mentioned lead being a problem and I've been doing it for 13 years now.

Did the farmer say lead was a issue? Curious...

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Originally Posted by kiwichrish

I shoot on two organic farms near home regularly for possums and hares using a .22 Neither of the owners have ever mentioned lead being a problem and I've been doing it for 13 years now.

Did the farmer say lead was a issue? Curious...

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Yip was about the only rule eh
Ended up not worrying about it. Between the houses on the boundary it wasnt worth the risk

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so 338 edge is out of the question?

I am confused as to what the question is but I am sure the answer is to use an AR15.