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What do people recommend ?
Is there a "go to" recognised best or do you have to try in your own gun ?
What do you look for ?
Does accuracy differ or is it terminal performance ?
I haven't used the 17HMR much and only CCI V-Max and it seems pretty good for me.
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Mates running cci vmax in his tikka. Stupidly accurate out to 150. His hit rate is impressive to the point it's cheaper to run than 22lr.
I have had really good accuracy results with CCI TNT hollow point. Less than .5" at 100m out of my CZ455.
Why do you think CCI make 3 different 17gr ammo ?
Whats the difference between them ?
I came to this conclusion a long time ago. So much more accurate and flatter shooting than any 22s I have had and the knockdown power is far superior especially on possums. Another advantage is you actually have some chance of hitting rabbits on the run as the required lead is so much less with a bullet travelling twice the speed of a .22. Def costs me less to run a .17HMR for a night. I'm sure someone who is very skilled on a 22 and knows all their drops like the back of their hand shooting rabbits or hares would favour a .22, but thats not me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobba
Ive always used the hornady 17gr ballistic tips, seem good. Shoot about 1" at 100 which is plenty good enough so havent bothered trying different types. Devastating on small game. At the end of the day you are just going to have to find what works in your gun, for your use. Even two of the same gun make and model of gun might favour different ammo.
Hornady 17gr ballistic tips, Tikka. Smashes the little critters.
My T1x loves Federal, tolerates CCI and hates Hornady...It blows out to 1.5' with Hornady. Doesn't like using bipod, but punch's single holes with a rolled up jacket on Federal.Likes one suppressor but not the other. It's a game of trial and error, or pew pew fun finding the sweet spot.
CCI 20gr.
Wikipedia says that CCI load most 17HMR ammo and use different bullets for each brand.
Hornady say that they have 3 different bullets:
15.5 gr NTX which is lead free ("California Compatible"). https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/r...5.5-gr.-ntx#!/
17 gr V-Max which is plastic tip and lead core https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/r...17-gr-v-max#!/
20 gr XTP Varmint which is hollow point and perhaps expands best at low velocities ("extreme terminal performance") https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/r...r-20-gr-xtp#!/
They sell loose bullets in each style for centrefire reloading.
CCI list 10 different 17 HMR products, https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfi...aliber/17-hmr/
including:
V-Max round under their own brand in 2550 and 2650 fps. It seems to be the Hornady bullet. https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfi...-max/6-49.html
TNT Green with a Speer copper bullet. https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfi...een/6-951.html
Their VNT is another Speer bullet with polymer tip and said to have a very thin jacket. https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfi...t/6-959CC.html
A17 a special round for the Savage A17 semiautomatic, possibly with the V-Max bullet. https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfi...7/6-949CC.html
Had fairly ordinary accuracy with all ammo, Hornady 17g had an extreme spread of over 250 fps at best. So tried cci with much the same results. Only to find all 17hmr ammo is basically made in the same factory, probably part of the reason it's so expensive. Had better success with 20g Hornady with an Es of 78 fps.
Have a Zastava in 17hmr, shoots both Federal and Hornady very well, 12-20 mm, usually stick with 17g, never found a possum which walks away.. Have never chronied loads so have nothing to worry about.
I agree with this conclusion. 17hmr cheaper in the long run for rabbits. 22 still super fun!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobba
I went down that path, I wouldn't say I'm super skilled - more an average shot. But I had a BDC reticule and strelok, and with 22 subs I was getting hits out to 75-100m only to see some of the bigger bunnies/hares crawl away (Aquila and CCI standard subs).Quote:
Originally Posted by Juicy
I picked up a Rossi 17hmr new for $349, a few weeks later my son (15) nailed a bunny at 180m (dropped on the spot). He's a fairly new shooter. I feel sorry for my 22s now, they're gathering dust.
I hope this was at 100 yards :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Bagheera
I've only used Hornady recently and I'd recommend checking point of impact between batches. I've been told that the most recent batch is significantly faster than the older batch. Seems to be the case as I switched between batches the other night and was sending rounds over the top of hares at longer range when earlier in the night I couldn't miss. Yet to verify this on paper. Other than the batch difference I'm very happy with terminal performance.
When I had my old hmr, I found the Remington ammo really good and it had the same point of impact as the Hornady stuff.
I think it's definitely a case of try one and see how it goes, that's the nature of rimfires as it seems.
The picture’s just for fun :D
I was practicing sitting unsupported.
But, yeah in an ideal world we’d check each new batch at a short range where no wind is a play and a long range for trajectory. And after falling over on your rifle :oh noes: so I dont want to chop and change too much, specially if V-Max is going out of production. Best policy is to buy heaps of the same batch in one go but 1000 HMR is more like a major capital expense, not within quarterly budget plans. Looking for advice which one to try next; I dont want to test several sorts.
specially if V-Max is going out of production. ?????
CCI Gamepoint 20gr 2375fps, V Max 17gr 2550fps and TNT 17gr 2550fps.
The issues I have with the 17 gr are with my 10 shot Savage semi auto,the 17 gr fails to recycle the action on occasion,never with the 20 gr
17 gr in the bolt savage,20 gr in the semi auto
I’ve addressed Savage with my issue,they of course say it shouldn’t be an issue(liability maybe)but on several gun forums I frequent,others have had the same results,with the 17gr in the semi autos
I just ordered the Rock River arms 17 HMR on an AR platform semi auto… hopefully that won’t be an issue(they say it’s not)
https://youtu.be/MxSKa_soOxQ
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Originally Posted by Barrel
That Rock River is cool, you will have to let us know how it runs......
Yeah mate will do….. not sure why some get bent out of shape because of the AR platform…. The biggest thing I like is the extending stock and the multiple attachments one can address…. It’s use… rats and prairie dogs…. A thermal scope a must
I got a Tikka a little while back when my 22lr wore out, absolute game changer for those longer shots and I have not met a bunny that could take a hit and hop away. Love my bolt guns, but the semi looks very cool!
Load of rubbish, both batches in the same speed range, however my zero had shifted up 1 moa. I'm not sure why it did this, maybe the barrel running in?maybe my zero was off to start with...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rated M for Magnum
All sorted now though, off bunny slaying again this weekend with a bit of luck.
Nice shooting then! What do you mean vmax going out of production?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagheera
Quick google and yes the Yamaha Vmax is gone out of production 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rated M for Magnum
...also was talk of hornady had discontinued and replaced certain weight and calibre types of the vmax projectiles in the past. The only new range of bullets on their web site is "Match type" for 2025.
Phew! Is that the ELD-VT range I see?Quote:
Originally Posted by Slug
Thats why CCI manufactured specifically the A17 ammo for your exact rifle... printed on the box, its 100fps faster than most of the other ammo, designed to cycle the semi auto action... I'm almost out of that brick - works great in the CZ457 - however after more testing with MANY differing weights and types, CCI, Hornady and Winchester varieties - found the Hornady XTP is about touching at 100 - so theres my next lot when the A17 runs out.Quote:
Originally Posted by A330driver
In my experience can there be huge differences between different 17 HMR ammo and different rifles like, dislike or hate different ammo.
There can even be big differences between different lots of one ammo type.
I highly recommend that you buy many boxes of the same lot if you find one ammo and lot that you really like in your rifle.
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Originally Posted by Nasty Factory Trigger
Mate… I’m just telling you what I’ve experienced… period!!!!… it makes no difference to me at all… I’ll just change and use what works
Just got word today it will be here mid December…Rock river arms build these once the order is received….been told they can’t keep up with the demand,parts issues,etc etc…… all up $1089 USD…… scope and rings to add, going with a thermal….Quote:
Originally Posted by inglishill
