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yeah I live on the road where people dump cats in my area to "set them free"
my best month I caught 32
all live capture and all looked at very closely before dispatching
I also ask the nabours if they have a cat and what it looks like

its not hard to avoid killing pet cats around residential areas that guy is just a clown.
Its always best to let cats go if you are unsure and there are houses near by, easy enough to trap later in a live capture

whether or not you like cats is inconsequential, that was a shitty move by the shooter not to see a cat and consider if it is someones pet when there are houses around that close

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What's all of this then, an order number for cat at your restaurant?

Its in VietNamese, so will be the order number for dogs, not cats:thumbsup:

You should’ve seen the back lash that ITM Marton got after the counter cat Rodney (that no bugger could even get near) was dumped out of town by some of the workers. They were getting death threats from overseas, it was a bloody shit show!! Google Rodney the cat and you’ll get 10s of bloody articles pop up. It was Karen’s to the power of 100.

I’m sick to death of the neighbours cats shitting on our lawn and vegie gardens, I like the neighbours, they’re good people. Apart from letting their bloody cats roam. Has anyone got any non violent solutions to the issue that they’ve had success with?

High Voltage the higher the better.

Nah, seriously, Electric fence, small battery powered job connected to low wires, they make a hell of noise when they touch and run off all frazzled/fluffed up.
Bloody hilarious..

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High Voltage the higher the better.

Nah, seriously, Electric fence, small battery powered job connected to low wires, they make a hell of noise when they touch and run off all frazzled/fluffed up.
Bloody hilarious..

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Bloody good idea!! I’ve got an old solar unit sitting at the olds place. Cheers

corgi x 2 works at our place

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Originally Posted by Bill999

yeah I live on the road where people dump cats in my area to "set them free"

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I have this problem too, with a constant supply of half starved kittens left down the end of the road. Which is part of the reason why we have 5 pet cats:pissed off:

Cat just climbed in my lap and is deciding between olympics or reading NZHS forum…might not let her read this thread…
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Yep same here , live rural and have had so many cats dumped on the road. Have to be a bit careful now as neighbours are popping up more and more as farms are being subdivided along the road.
Ive shot four cats and some kittens since ive lived here , sister in law who runs the farm tells me 'if you see a cat shoot it' .
I know what the neighbours cat looks like so i leave that one alone , but the rest of them , get lead sandwhiches.
Its interesting though , cats are clever . One ferral cat on the farm , as soon as you find it or disturb it , moves location time and time again. Have been looking for the bastard for fuck knows how long now. It wont go into a trap and is a big wooly bastard. A smart wooly bastard ! Ill get em eventually.

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You should’ve seen the back lash that ITM Marton got after the counter cat Rodney (that no bugger could even get near) was dumped out of town by some of the workers. They were getting death threats from overseas, it was a bloody shit show!! Google Rodney the cat and you’ll get 10s of bloody articles pop up. It was Karen’s to the power of 100.

I’m sick to death of the neighbours cats shitting on our lawn and vegie gardens, I like the neighbours, they’re good people. Apart from letting their bloody cats roam. Has anyone got any non violent solutions to the issue that they’ve had success with?

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hose them on sight....the wetter the better...sprinkler onto hose,hooked to washing machine tap inside,works for barking dog too,they dont know where its coming from,the hose suddenly comes to life.
but a dog loose in section is by far the best cat deterent...one of these days our cat will get in scrap and vault back over home fence and cat following her will land in waiting jaws of our dog....been close a few times now....and our cat stays at home all night,is fed so much doesnt need to eat anything else...and in 6 mths has caught 3 waxeyes,its not uncommon to have 30 of them eating the containers of fat I leave out for them.

I’m very close to getting a live capture possum trap, catching the bugger and dealing to it with the hose while spraying it with that cat deterrent you can buy. I think it’d pick up the association of the water to the deterrent pretty quick.

You can get a sprinkler with a motion detector used to stop pigeons shitting everywhere it would work on cats.

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Originally Posted by mimms2

A) really?
B) if you use, or allow your property to be used in the wanton destruction of wildlife, or to annoy or others...

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Property is pretty broadly defined in the Crimes Act, so S269 could apply. Cats have common law rights of trespass and are also considered property under common law.

I neither use, or allow my cats to be used to annoy (annoy hasn’t yet been criminalised by our dear leader) or cause damage, regardless, what the cat does is not likely to be something I am liable for (common law again) though I do take steps to mitigate the risk of the cat doing damage.

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Originally Posted by Ben Waimata

I have this problem too, with a constant supply of half starved kittens left down the end of the road. Which is part of the reason why we have 5 pet cats:pissed off:

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my missus got a live capture trap for her birthday (from me) that collapses and goes in the back of her car
she catches heaps of them and has three cats of her own but dropps all the "not too far gone" kittens that havent developed into complete psychopaths' get taken to the spca
anything older gets the lead pill


I cannot stress it enough either let the cat out of you live capture trap without harming it or kill it immediately
anything else will constitute animal abuse and will leave you open to become the next big social media case as they drag you thru the courts
any form of teaching it a lesson while in a trap and then letting it go will be delt with very seriously

https://youtu.be/ElcviGYMb3U
I helped a mate make a cat deterrent with a washing machine solenoid valve a sprinkler and a motion sensor, it worked well and auto watered his vegetable garden.
I believe spraying pest animals with water is SPCA approved.
We have a dog and no cat issues but our neighbour has a beautiful tabby that our dog has almost got hold of more than once, I would hate that to happen but don’t want it in our vegetable garden.

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We have a dog and no cat issues but our neighbour has a beautiful tabby that our dog has almost got hold of more than once, I would hate that to happen but don’t want it in our vegetable garden.

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I’ve run into the problem of my dogs catching wandering cats in our property… it certainly isn’t a positive step towards friendly neighbour relations. I always remember this article from a few years back because of the interview with the cat owner…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/870...o-his-backyard

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Originally Posted by mimms2

...Any evidence to back this up?

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The fun part with common law is that it’s not written down, but found in case law and I’m not scrolling through pages of Lexis Nexus without someone paying for it.

If you check the law society pages wrt trespass and nuisance, you’ll find some info there.

In a nutshell, dogs are regulated and have specific (statue) laws laying down owners responsibility. Cats are not highly regulated, falling under common (case law) in most respects.

Cat owners do have a duty of care to protect their pets though. Letting them wander could be considered failing in that duty.

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In a nutshell, dogs are regulated and have specific (statue) laws laying down owners responsibility. Cats are not highly regulated, falling under common (case law) in most respects.

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This is the area that Gareth Morgan was working on through the National Cat Management Strategy. He got quite a head of steam going for a while but it seems to have petered out in the last couple of years. He wanted cats to be subject to the same kind of statute laws that dogs are. And the NZVC agreed and changed their policy in 2018, the first time they explicitly said cats should be kept on the owner’s property. Regional bylaws were drafted to demand that domestic cats are microchipped and registered, e.g. Wellington City in 2016. It’s a bloody slow & contentious process though and I wonder if we will ever see cats subject to the same laws as dogs.

Politically it’s a hot potato because cat owners are often a one-eyed bunch who hysterically object to any potential consequences for Tiddles’ nuisance behaviour. The problem for New Zealand law making is that we have one of the highest cat ownership rates in the world, if not #1, and I can just imagine any government being highly reluctant to pass a bill clamping down on cat owners when probably more than half the voting population would object!

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I’ve run into the problem of my dogs catching wandering cats in our property… it certainly isn’t a positive step towards friendly neighbour relations. I always remember this article from a few years back because of the interview with the cat owner…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/870...o-his-backyard

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Originally Posted by Musclebob

Property is pretty broadly defined in the Crimes Act, so S269 could apply. Cats have common law rights of trespass and are also considered property under common law.

I neither use, or allow my cats to be used to annoy (annoy hasn’t yet been criminalised by our dear leader) or cause damage, regardless, what the cat does is not likely to be something I am liable for (common law again) though I do take steps to mitigate the risk of the cat doing damage.

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Unless you discharge a firearm in an annoying way , see Arms Act 1983 No44 section 48b.
I see this whole cats trespassing thing in a different way.
We are in a process of setting up a decent size joint QE2 covenant with a couple of our neighbours, about 106 acres. We invested a good amount of time and money into this project to protect the native fauna and flora on our land, so did QE2. So as far as I can see in our case someone else's property is causing damage in our property(the crowns property) so we are taking steps to mitigate the risk of loosing protected species. We are required to have a pest management plan and control all species that do not belong here (mainly rats and possums). I am aware of stomach contents studies both here and other countries where I have been involved with wildlife management. I agree that rodents will be the dominant part of those research findings but the amount of NZ native species is still significant enough for me to care . NZ got about 1.1-1.2M pet cats, lets say they only kill one native animal each a year, that is a large amount of wildlife lost. Than add to that the unknown number of ferals , some say around 200,000.
I will give a free get out of jail (cage trap)card for each animal that has a collar or microchip (I have a reader) the first time, trip down to animal control then owner can pay to release the animal from there. Late night meetings during rabbit control usually have a different outcome.
We are lucky to live far away enough from town to not have too many issues. Most people around here don't have cats, the ones that do got theirs microchipped and collared.

Well, the old fella that shot the cat on the golf club grounds got away with it… no prosecution. Needless to say the “justice for vinny the cat” Facebook group is apoplectic. The cat’s owner said:

The police advised me today that unfortunately they can't take the matter any further in terms of seeking a prosecution. They have spent weeks looking at all possible angles, looking through legislation/laws, going through case law and thoroughly investigating all possible options, with assistance from a detective, and talking to prosecutions, but have been unable to establish a case that satisfies the requirements of the prosecution team. It wasn't for lack of trying, and the officers who worked on the case are both cat owners and have no involvement with the golf club.

The golf club have apparently changed their pest control practices to exclude shooting cats and some time after lockdown ends I'll be meeting with them, probably at the police station, to find out exactly what their new policy toward cats is.

The shooter apparently feels bad about what has happened, and says he never intended to shoot a pet cat. I don't think I'll ever believe him though.


There’s a backstory to this. The cat owner (Geoff) is a cat nut who has multiple cats that come and go, lots of rehoming of strays and so on. One of those “community cat” people. At any one time he has 8 or 9, sometimes more, sometimes less, and they are free to come and go as they please. I have a big problem with that. Something that hasn’t helped him is that he has in the past posted several photos of the birds that his cats catch in the bush between him and the golf club. None too bright Geoff. The cat was shot a good distance away from his house. Definitely not in his backyard as originally intimated.

Word is some of the locals nearby are none too impressed with the burgeoning cat population in the north end of town. It seems that Geoff’s cats breed like flies. Again, all stuff he freely shares with the world.

So my take on it is that he has lost one cat out of a transient number of waifs and strays, and the more permanent residents as his place.

I would love to know how far the Police really took this investigation. If they were unable to secure a case against the shooter to the satisfaction of the prosecutor, then maybe some of the case law that has been mentioned in this thread isn’t as strong as was thought. Maybe they’re just fobbing him off. Maybe the mood towards wandering cats has indeed shifted in favour of birdlife and fewer feral / stray / companion apex predators marauding around on private property and public land. Ultimately we’ll probably never know.

Interesting case this, nothing is ever as it seems of course. Is it ever?

There's always two sides to a story and we only got to hear the cat owners story. It certainly seems it didnt quite happen as he indicated. Ie not even a charge of careless use of a firearm (cat owner had said the rifle was discharged while pointing at residential housing).

Good outcome by the sounds.